Microphone Questions/Advice Thread

[Pure Milk Genius Productions]

is the mic volume turned up on the master volume control panel?

[FyceDesigns]

The batteries are fine, and the mic volume is turned up.

[Pure Milk Genius Productions]

try another recording program or start recording and jiggling the plug around in the jack, if it doesn't make static or humming noises there is something wrong with the connection.

[sanftner2003]

I got a thead in the 'chit chat section' about the new camera I just ordered. But I decided to post this here, since it's a specific question.

I got a new Canon Vixia10 Hi-Def camera and it is very small. I was wondering if you all have any recommendations for a shotgun mic (If thats the one that mounts to it).

But like I said, my camera is very small. It's roughly the same size and weight as a soda can, so I'm guessing a 'large' mic would make it harder to handle the camera, and also the mic get caught in the top of the shot.

Here are some pics ands specs:


Headphone/microphone jacks
Includes camcorder, battery pack, compact power adapter, stereo video cable, wireless controller, USB cable, component cable, Pixela ImageMixer 3SE disc, digital video solutions disc for Windows/Mac
16GB internal flash memory
Holds up to six hours, five minutes of video
3.3 megapixel 1/3.2" Full HD CMOS sensor
1920x1080 resolution video recording
12X optical zoom
200X digital zoom
2.7" diagonal multi-angle vivid widescreen LCD display
AVCHD recording format
DiGIC DV II digital image processor
SuperRange optical image stabilization
RGB primary color filter
Four recording modes: LP, SP, XP+, FXP
Variable/three fixed zoom speeds
Instant AF
Program AE with preset scene modes
Manual exposure
Eight white balance modes
Digital still image recording
Two-channel Dolby Digital audio
Auto date/time
Record search/review
SD/SDHC memory card slot
HDMI port
Headphone/microphone jacks
Measures approximately 2-7/8"W x 2-1/2"H x 5-1/8"D
UL listed; 1-year Limited Manufacturer's Warranty
Made in Japan





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[sanftner2003]

hopefully something under $200. It was a $1,000 camera, so I'm running low on my 'filming funds.'

[elscottomagnifico]

The Rode Videomic is very nice, though a little on the big side. It is very light though, so it shouldn't ruin the handling of your cam. Get it from jacksmusicfactory.com , as you can pick it up for $120 there instead of the usual $150.

It looks like the problem you'll have is that the HF10 does not have a standard sized hotshoe - which is what all the shotgun mics mount to. It instead has a Canon brand mini-hotshoe, so you'll need to find a way to mount regular hotshoe mounts onto it (hotshoe adapter most likely).

[sanftner2003]

damn. Gonna need to buy 'more adapters'.

Jacklawrence has the same camera. I wonder what he uses.

Thaks for the recommendation by the way. I'm looking that mic up.

[MiniMogul27]

Agreed. Rode Videomic. From what I've read, it is the BEST budget mic you can buy. You will need an adaptor, or you can use a boompole. However for on-camera you can also get brackets that go betewwn camera and tripod.

[Pablo585]

Would a Rode NTG2 be better than a Videomic for most shooting situations?
I thought I'd ask here instead of starting a new thread.

[sanftner2003]

i don't know anything about mics.

this is my first camera that has a mic jack.

[MiniMogul27]

A Rode NTG2 would be better, especially if you had a Beachtek or Juicedlink adaptor. It is a much more expensive pro grade mic. But it is more expensive and you need an adaptor. XLR cables are more expensive but it is a lot more noise resistant. But the Rode Videomic is a lot cheaper...

[elscottomagnifico]

Would a Rode NTG2 be better than a Videomic for most shooting situations?
I thought I'd ask here instead of starting a new thread.
The sound quality won't be $100 better, but the features will be for some people. The increase in audio quality is fairly low, but the NTG2 does use XLR which allows you to run long extension cables without major interference (in these cases it definitely is going to show better than the Videomic - if you avoid electromagnetic interference, the noise difference between the two is less noticeable).

[jburas]

The smartest thing: Do not mount a microphone on your camera at all. Use a boom pole with your shotgun mic.

[punkandska66]

I mounted my mic to my HV30 and honestly it sounds fine although I would rather have it on a boom. I mean you're right kinda, but it's not like you'll get worse audio if it's on your camera, it'll just be softer if you're far away from it. But if you have a good mic it should pic it up. I used my RODE videomic for a short that we did, and we were kinda far (50 feet?), outside, and speaking softly, and it came out fine.

[sanftner2003]

if i get a mic on a poll, does that mean I need a REALLY long cord?

like say im sitting under a tree and want a long shot (camera about 50ft away).
would I need a 50ft long cord and place the mic close?

[punkandska66]

Theoretically yes. XLR can handle extension cords MUCH better than 1/8". You won't pick up static with XLR. But if you wanted to do that shot for real, you'd be better off using lavs.

[jburas]

it's not like you'll get worse audio if it's on your camera

The farther away from the mouth of the actor, the more background noise the mic picks up. That doesn't mean a far-away mic will sound bad, it just means that a close-up mic will sound a lot better.

[jburas]

if i get a mic on a poll, does that mean I need a REALLY long cord?

like say im sitting under a tree and want a long shot (camera about 50ft away).
would I need a 50ft long cord and place the mic close?

Yes (theoretically). But if your camera is that far away, there's a good chance that you won't even be able to see the actor's mouths, which means you can re-record the audio or you can just use the audio from another take where you were closer.

[punkandska66]

The farther away from the mouth of the actor, the more background noise the mic picks up. That doesn't mean a far-away mic will sound bad, it just means that a close-up mic will sound a lot better.

Yeah, but it won't turn out horribly. It'll just be quieter [the speaking, I mean].

[jburas]

Yeah, but it won't turn out horribly. It'll just be quieter [the speaking, I mean].

And noisier. It may not be "bad," it will just be cleaner if the microphone is closer.

Eric Franks has a nice little video this concept (http://videopia.org/content/view/156/231/).

[sanftner2003]

any recommendations on lavs?

preferribly wireless.

Under $150 or so.

[Ladri.]

any recommendations on lavs?

preferribly wireless.

Under $150 or so.

I don't know any recommendations on lavaliere mics but I can tell you ALL lavs are wireless. That's the entire point behind them. ;)

[jburas]

I can tell you ALL lavs are wireless. That's the entire point behind them. ;)

Not true. Wired lavs are most used in TV studios or sit-down interviews, where mobility is non-essential.

[sanftner2003]

ya. ive seen almost only wired, when i look on ebay and etc.

But I figure that "not all lavs are equal" esp when they are wireless. some prob get better coverage distance, clear static, etc.

so its hard finding one thats good.

[jburas]

any recommendations on lavs?
For the price, the Audio Technica ATR-35S can't be beat. I've bought four of them for my audio kit.

preferribly wireless.

Under $150 or so.
You're asking for too much.

[sanftner2003]

that has a 20ft cable.

i'd pay more for a good wireless one.

I mean, the new Vixia hf10 Hi-Def camera I ordered friday is about $1,000. so I want pretty good mic before film school starts in 10 days.

[jburas]

i'd pay more for a good wireless one.

If you insist on wireless and you're willing to pay more, check out the Samson UM1/77 series. They have true diversity receivers, which will minimize the amount of static you hear.

[punkandska66]

You know though, that lavs are a lot more expensive in comparison to shotguns. This is a very rough example: A shotgun mic rated 7/10 (for a low budget example) could be maybe 150-200 dollars. Whereas a lav rated 7/10 could go for maybe 300-350. It's true that they are better in many cases, but I wouldn't recommend using solely lavs. It's going to run up your budget if you get more than a couple. If anything, and you're saying you want lavs, I'd say get 2 lavs and a nice shotgun. Because for stuff that's like up to 30 or so feet you'll get good quality audio with a shotgun. And that's if it's mounted on your camera. I'm sure it would be better with a boom, but you'd have to watch out not to get it in the shot (considering 30 ft. is pretty wide).

Keep in mind pretty much everything I just said was very generalized.

[MiniMogul27]

Though both have their uses, a shotgun mic is FAR more versatile than a lavalier. A shotgun mic can be used on-camera, on a boompole, and even for foley work. You can also use it for ADR (dubbing). Another advantage is that a shotgun can be used for more than one actor- you don't need one for each. I've heard that you get a richer, more full sound as well. If you can afford it by all means get both, but if you can only get one a shotgun is the way to go.

[DCornerFilms]

Hey guys I want to know a good microphone to buy because my new cameras aduio quality is very bad i just want know a good microphone that i can plug into my camera.



DCornerFilms.

[Vaughn Whynot]

there are alot of threads made about mics
the search button is very helpful
so here is one
http://forum.indymogul.com/showthread.php?t=10622&highlight=microphone+thread
hope it helps

[MiniMogul27]

In a nutshell:
If you cannot afford to spend much money, the $50 ATR-55 from Audio-Technica is your best choice. If you can spend more, get the $150 Rode Videomic. If you have a lot of money get a pro XLR mic and adapter. There are a lot of those.

[DCornerFilms]

ok thx

[rochk123]

What kind of microphones are the best?

Does anyone know about the microphone that comes with pinnacle studio movieboard board plus. It seems like a pretty good microphone when it plugs into elura 100. Truth to be told. How long does this microphone usually last? Are they dependable, for a shoot?

[darao80]

What kind of microphones are the best?


i find that using the f***en SEARCH BUTTON helps alot coz youll find like 20 other threads!!

[rochk123]

Sorry I am new here. I'll try to do that. Thanks!

[riprocker2008]

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[MiniMogul27]

Okay, what does your microphone look like? In any case chances are it's a piece of crap.

I've said this before today: If you are on a tight budget get the Audio-Technica ATR-55 ($50). If you can afford it the $120 Rode Videomic will get you better sound. Above that there's a lot of options.

[kamuran]

do you need to have a headphone jack to use one?
or can u just connect it on the top of the camera?

[MitchellStafiej]

do you need to have a headphone jack to use one?
or can u just connect it on the top of the camera?
There needs to be a microphone in jack. It must be plugged in somewhere to pick up sound :P.

Headphone jack wont work.

Mitch

[Ladri.]

Well, since there is already a thread on this mic, I might as well ask a question about it.

How do you attach it to a boompole? It only comes with the accessory shoe adapter. I don't quite get it. Any help would be much appreciated.

[stefanocasadei]

it has all sorts of threading sizes to be attached to a boom pole at the bottom of its noise reduction thingy

[elscottomagnifico]

The supplied/attached shock mount has a couple holes (of standard thread sizes) that you can use to attach to a boom pole - same as with any other mics, you just find a hanger bolt that fits one of the thread sizes.

[loosechange]

I get lost all the time in all the technicalities that come with film equipment.

Anyways I'm planning on doing the DIY Boom Pole from an old weekend extra as soon as i can.

There's three different types of microphones; Directional, Omnidirectional, and Shotgun? am I right?

Anyways the one that came with the V1U is a directional mic...i think. man my uncertainties make me feel lame.

Anyways which Mic do I put on a boom pole? Omnidirectional?

[ciwi286]

Shotgun.

[rick3000]

It depends where your filming and how profesional you want to get. If your inside get a hypercardioid, if your outside get a shotgun. You can still use a shotgun indoors but you will probably want to put music over it to eliminate the empty box sound shotguns get indoors.

[jburas]

There's three different types of microphones; Directional, Omnidirectional, and Shotgun? am I right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microphone#Microphone_polar_patterns

Anyways which Mic do I put on a boom pole?

Typically you put a shotgun mic on a boom pole. Heck, you might even just take the shotgun mic off your V1U and put that on the pole.

You can really put any mic on a boom pole, since the idea is to get the microphone as close as possible. A shotgun would be best, but not necessary.

[rick3000]

But indoors, if your using a shotgun you need your boom operator to stay within 2-3' feet or closer to get the best results.

[loosechange]

thanks to everybody once again, every time i post up a question on these forums I learn a lot more then what i thought i would with my questions.

Thank god for the mogulers id be lost without all yall.

[C2Films]

Shotgun = directional.

[yourmindsinnerworkings]

hey guys. im using an ATR-55 shotgun mic (like the vast majority of you) and i was wonder if anyone could help me. have any of you heard of an extension cable for this type of microphone (its a basic mic input)? cause im looking to build a boom pole for my next short but i need to extend the cord to the mic. anyone know of an extension cord i can use and where i can get it? any help is appreciated. thanks
-dustin

[yourmindsinnerworkings]

anybody?

[Vaughn Whynot]

they make them
you can get dollar store ones
but don't get to many
because i was told if you keep adding adaptors it will cut your quality down

[Reddkryten]

Any electronics shop should have that. 3.5mm or 6.5mm extension cable.

That's pretty much it.

[rick3000]

You just need a headphone/3.5mm extension. There like $4 at RadioShack. I would get a decent quality one (thicker w/ more shielding) because once you start doing over 15' you may get interference.

[MiniMogul27]

I've got a cheap 10-footer, and it's not long enough for boompole work. Unfortunately, although the number varies, you can't go over about 20 feet without getting a lot of noise.

The cable you need is a 3.5mm or 1/8" extension cable. It may be labeled as a headphone extenstion. Either mono or stereo will work.

[yourmindsinnerworkings]

my aim is really more to get the mic away from the noise of the camera than anything else. so im gonna see if i can find a 10 footer somewhere. thanks for the advice

[feralucce]

I recommend the rode vidmic... it's about $125, but the sound is solid, has two output states, comes with a wind screen, the shock mount is actually suspended (floating)... over all, a good mic

[michaelbak]

1. what makes a shotgun mic good quality? (any stats)
Shotgun mics are super directional making them great for conditions where a subject is around a lot of noise like birds , water running , ect. They do require a lot of practice since there so directional , it's really easy to go off your sound source and stop getting audio.

2. does it come with a tone of cord ? ( so i can make boom pole?)
Shotgun mics have a cord of about six inch's to a foot.

3. how cheap is too cheap for i shotgun mic?
About $50 the Audio Technica ART55 is a good cheap mono shotgun.

4. i live in Canada, where is a good place to go for a good microphone?
Check B&H photo's website or amazon to find a mic and then search electronic & music stores.

5. why buy a shotgun mic?
Already explained.

6. for making a boom pole, erik says and go online and buy this adapter. only problem is i cant do internet shopping too easily. do any stores carry them? (maybe henrys or a music store?)
Radio Shack has some of these bolts but they don't have the screw head like on Filmtools.com like shown in the episode.

7. does it come with the foam heads?
Most come with a foam windscreen yes.

8. my camera doesnt have a holder for a shotgun mic. any DIY things for this?
Does it have a hotshoe or coldshoe? Some mics have a adapter that can fit them on your camera. If not , you can buy a cheap shock mount and duck tape it to the camera. Or why would you want to mount it on the camera anyway? your going to pick up the camera noise like the camera zooming or the tape heads.

[michaelbak]

which model does erik use?

The ART55 by Audio Technica.

[Ronster]

The ART55 by Audio Technica.

I'm willing to bet he doesn't use that anymore. Now that he is with NNN, they prolly use more proffesional equipment.

[WesScog]

Merged the majority of the, "WHAT MIC SHOULD I GET!?" threads.

[treble]

I was going to get the ATR55, but it's a little iffy. I just need a good mic that can record decent sound that doesn't suck and can record to my laptop. If it can cost from 10-50 bucks then alright, but you can also suggest ones that don't go over 200 bucks. Thanx

[elscottomagnifico]

Do you need it for voice over work or live recording (because your cam doesn't have a mic jack perhaps?)?

[treble]

Live recording, and im using flip video ultra that has no mic input. Im thinking of using my computer.

[MiniMogul27]

Rode VideoMic. That seems to be the microphone of choice around here.

[feralucce]

Yeah, The Rode VidMic. I have to admit, I was skeptical. I mean, it costs HALF what the other shotguns do. But they offered a money back guarantee, so we tried it.

it has a built in low pass notch filter for noisy environments.

The only thing I might complain about is it is a little TOO sensitive, making any ambient hollowness you get from an environment a little strong, but that is what $1 cloth at walmart is for anyway, right?

[treble]

What about azden mics? can you plug them into your computer?

[rick3000]

Azden has a pretty bad reputation, but some people love them. I was say get a VideoMic for $120 from Jack's Music Factory.

[feralucce]

we tried a couple of those, but since we are using the laptop as a DAT, there seemed to be an impedence problem, the azden mics had a bad buzz in them on the laptop.

[treble]

What about these: the Nady sgm-12 shotgun condenser microphone or the apex 175 shotgun condenser microphone

Are these good and able to plug into a computer for recording

[Reddkryten]

I don't know much about your setup, so I could be totally wrong, but.
The buzzing could be a mono to stereo problem. Your laptop's mic input is probably stereo. If the mic is mono, then you'll get noise. They do sell adapters at electronic shop type places.

Please don't let this put you off mono mics, the pros use mono mics and give much more control.

[treble]

So reddkryten, you're saying azden is good if you have that adapter that makes it stereo, then it will be fixed?

[Reddkryten]

I'm not totally sure, but plugging a mono mic into a stereo socket can cause a buzzing sound. So there's a good chance it could be.

Is the Azden mono?

[treble]

No, not the one im looking at.

Im sooooo confused now. Which one should I choose:

Azden or atr55? I just want one so i can get going on my project.

[treble]

Im think im going to stick witht he atr55. Any objection? I figured if Erik is using atr55 and not the azden then that's good enough for me.

[elscottomagnifico]

The ATR-55, in the grand scheme of mics, is not very good. It will, however, be noticeably better than your cam's onboard mic (just about any external mic will be). If it's all you can afford, then it'll do alright - it'll just leave much to be desired for those who are used to better mics/audio quality.

So, if your price range is around $50 and you need to get going now, then the ATR will be one of your better options. If you can afford more or you have time to save up then I'd suggest you shop around for a better mic ($120 for a Rode Videomic at Jacks music factory is very capable for the money) .

[punkandska66]

Like others mentioned, the Rode Videomic is good. I use one, and I love it. It comes with a built in shock mount and wind screen. However, the windscreen isn't super effective. I would get (or DIY) a deadcat. You can also plug it into your computer and you can really nice quality VO's. There's no buzzing or anything like with a USB desk mic.

[WSNProductions]

Do you mostly boom the Rode VideoMic, or leave it mounted when you're shooting?

I'm probably going to buy one soon.

Where is the best place to buy it?

[rick3000]

The VM was designed to be camera mounted, you can boom it, but if you use more than 10' of 3.5mm cable you can get hum. The best place to buy it is Jack's Music Factory, it's $119 with free shipping.

[WSNProductions]

Would I get better results booming or keeping it mounted?

EDIT: It will work on a GL1, wont it?

[Reddkryten]

Booming, always booming :p

Actually, I have no idea about that specific microphone, but the closer the mic is, the better.

I mean, what would you rather have, a $1000 mic in another room, or a bad PC mic right up to the mouth?

[Pablo585]

Gah! I can't decide!
Should I get the RODE Videomic or the Azden Sgm-1x?
The RODE has a better dynamic range but the Sgm-1x is XLR.
Which one should I get?!

[harveytwoface999]

This question isn't about the mic itself, but I think it'd fit here:

Is it a good idea to use a wireless adapter for your microphone? Like something that'd plug into the end and go to something attached to the camera? I noticed BFX was using something similar in the "TV Crawl Behind The Scenes" video, and I'd imagine it'd be one less cord to deal with. But how would the quality be affected? If you were shooting in a public area (like a park), would cell phones interfere with the sound?

[Dead Iris]

Got a boom mic and I want to make a boom pole. All I need to know is, how do I use the XLR cable with it? It doesn't exactly look like it could connect to my camera or my mic.

Mic: ATR-55
Camera: Canon HV30

[rick3000]

Pablo585, if your going to be running more than 10' of cable get an XLR microphone. You will also need the Hosa MIT-156 to maintain a balanced signal through the XLR cable so you do not get hum. If you are not going to take the more than 10' away from the camera, the VideoMic maybe a better choice. The Rode has a 10 year warranty which is awesome, and it will be less cumbersome, because you won't need a bunch of adapters.

Harvey, The general consensus among may pro's is to avoid wireless mics whenever possible. There cool, but unless your spend upwards of $300 you are not going to able to get a quality system, and in a public place you will most definitely get hum, buzz, and other interference. Some cheaper systems work fine in areas without any interference, but most places will give you problems.

Dead, I answered you question in your other thread.

Hope this helps!

[3amigosproductions]

Anyone have or like the Azden Sgm-1x?

[WSNProductions]

Jack's Music Factory made me "Reqeust My Price", then did not E-Mail me back with the price. What gives?!

[Pablo585]

^ When did you email? It took them like 2-3 days to get back to me.

Another question people!
Now I've looked around and found out more about mics. I've read that I want a hyper-cardioid indoors, not a shotgun. A majority of my shooting is indoors, but some is out. Should I just get a hyper-cardioid and use it in and out? If so, can you guys suggest one that is good for under $200?


(P.S. I change my mind a lot, so expect a lot of questions!)

[WSNProductions]

^ When did you email? It took them like 2-3 days to get back to me.

10-11-2008

[3amigosproductions]

ok

What are the best budget mics from

$0 - $180

and why

[Pablo585]

3amigos,
Your best bet would be an Azden Sgm-1x or RODE Videomic.
The Rode has a nice hi/low range and the Azden is XLR (better for boom pole use).

[michaeltn]

would mics like the Rode Videomic or atr-55 be decent for recording music, I need something to server a duel purpose.

[rick3000]

There are no dual purpose mics. You can get one mic and use it for many things, but it's quality won't be optimal in all situations. The VideoMic would do okay, much better than the ATR55. If you filming from the crowd, if you can afford it the NT3 is a good choice, or possibly a stereo Giant Squid. I have never used one this way but the website claims they do okay with music.

[michaeltn]

Basically I would be using it to record guitar tracks to my computer to mix and use for my movies

[RAM]

Is it acoustic or electric guitars you'll be recording?

If you're recording a guitar amp you'll have to be careful when using either the rode or the atr55. They are both condensers so they are really sensitive. The rode fortunately comes with a pad which you'll need to engage to control the gain. The atr55 doesnt have a pad so you'll have to turn the amp down alot.

The rode has a pretty typical frequency response for a condenser. Not sure about the atr55 as the website didn't have a frequency spectrum.

They would probably both be okay on acoustic guitars. They could potentially sound a bit harsh on electrics. But the only way to know is to actually try them out. Just by the frequency response: the rode will give you some nice clear highs for acoustics, while potentially making the electric sound a bit harsh. It should give a nice low end on guitar amps though.

If you get the rode you'll need to make sure to use some insulation as it will pick up more ambience and room noise than the atr55.

I honestly don't know what these mics will be like on guitars, having never used them for that. They could end up really good or they could require alot of equalisation to improve the sound.

Rob

[sonnyfromda02]

Woo-hoo!!! My Rode Video Mic comes in this Friday!

[Yugispoony]

Justin thanks for the info, onto ebay I think. I'll check out that episode as well.

[Tino Bandito]

Don't know if this mic was asked about before but I was looking at the Zoom H2 Portable Stereo mic. My camera doesn't have a mic in so I figure this would be the next best thing. It's right in my price range too.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000VBH2IG/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

What do you guys think about it? Any suggestions on this or maybe a similar mic would be great.

[Pablo585]

The Zoom H2 is pretty good I've heard. I'm going to ask for it for Christmas. I've noticed two problems though (not big issues): There is sync drift over a long time and for some the mic jack is noisy. The sync drift only matters if you will be continuously recording over a period 20-30 minutes or more. The noisy mic jack can be overcome by using a preamp to go to the line-in jack.

[rick3000]

The Zoom H2 is a good choice, and I have heard only good things about them. The sync will drift over long periods of time but that is easy enough to fix in post.

[Tino Bandito]

Thanks for the help. I think I probably will end up getting it.

[hawkinsproductions]

I'm having an issue with feedback when using an external mike with a Canon HG20. Any tips here I could be directed to or that anyone can post? Any where on the web I might find more information on improving sound quality.

[pcgfilms]

Hey guys, I was going to start a new thread on this, but I found this thread so I decided to post this here to avoid getting flamed for it.

So my question was: How do microphones work? I have been planning on getting one for my HV30 for awhile, but I haven't yet, because I want a decent amount of knowledge on how they work, before I invest in one.

So does anyone have a link they could share with lots of information? Anything would be helpful. I just don't want to waste 100+ dollars on something that I wouldn't know how to operate.

Thanks

[RAM]

I'm having an issue with feedback when using an external mike with a Canon HG20. Any tips here I could be directed to or that anyone can post? Any where on the web I might find more information on improving sound quality.

I can honestly say I've never encountered feedback when filming. Whats your setup? Are you monitoring through loudspeakers or perhaps from the camera's onboard speakers?
What mic are you using?

How do microphones work?

This question deserves a really long answer. So I'll just give you a brief overview.

Let's look at dynamic and condenser mics.
Dynamics: Use electromagnetic induction to change sound to an electrical signal. A diaphragm is connected to a coil of wire(voice coil) which is suspended in a magnetic field. Displacements in air cause the voice coil to move across the lines of magnetic flux. This induces an electrical signal that is analogous to the sound.

Condenser: Essentially is a capacitor. The distance between the two plates of the capacitor changes when air pressure changes(ie: sound occurs). This changes the capacitance and the voltage across the capacitor. A resistor is in series with the capacitor. When the voltage across the capacitor changes, the voltage across the resistor changes. The voltage across the resistor becomes the the mics output signal.

Mics also have certain pickup patterns. Basically they have a directional response. They are various directional patterns. Best to look at the pictures of the various ones to get the hang of them.

This is all a bit technical. You don't really need to know how it works. And so long as it sounds good it doesnt matter really. To be honest I'm not quite sure what you wanted to know, is there something specific you were asking about as regards a mic's operation?

Oh and try: www.soundonsound.com, they have lots of good articles. I'm sure you'll find something on microphones.

Rob

[pcgfilms]

I can honestly say I've never encountered feedback when filming. Whats your setup? Are you monitoring through loudspeakers or perhaps from the camera's onboard speakers?
What mic are you using?



This question deserves a really long answer. So I'll just give you a brief overview.

Let's look at dynamic and condenser mics.
Dynamics: Use electromagnetic induction to change sound to an electrical signal. A diaphragm is connected to a coil of wire(voice coil) which is suspended in a magnetic field. Displacements in air cause the voice coil to move across the lines of magnetic flux. This induces an electrical signal that is analogous to the sound.

Condenser: Essentially is a capacitor. The distance between the two plates of the capacitor changes when air pressure changes(ie: sound occurs). This changes the capacitance and the voltage across the capacitor. A resistor is in series with the capacitor. When the voltage across the capacitor changes, the voltage across the resistor changes. The voltage across the resistor becomes the the mics output signal.

Mics also have certain pickup patterns. Basically they have a directional response. They are various directional patterns. Best to look at the pictures of the various ones to get the hang of them.

This is all a bit technical. You don't really need to know how it works. And so long as it sounds good it doesnt matter really. To be honest I'm not quite sure what you wanted to know, is there something specific you were asking about as regards a mic's operation?

Oh and try: www.soundonsound.com (http://www.soundonsound.com), they have lots of good articles. I'm sure you'll find something on microphones.

Rob

I want to know how to work one, specifically shotgun and condensor, and what all the specifications mean, like frequency, db-, pickup, levels, all that stuff, so I have a better understanding of what I'm buying

[RAM]

Lets take a test case then. The rode videomic.

Frequency range: 40Hz- 20kHz. Which would mean that it can pick up frequencies between these two figures. However always check the graph for a mics frequency response as it seriously accentuate or attenuate different frequencies. Which will dramatically alter its sound. You'll notice the rode has a slight accentuation at around 10kHz. It also has a switchable high pass filter which cuts some bass frequencies. In this case the high pass filter has a 12dB per octave drop starting at 80Hz. This means that for every octave below 80Hz the level will be 12 dB less.

Directional pattern: supercardioid. There's a picture of this response type on the rode sight. Basically it picks up mainly what it's pointed at, but it'll also pick up some a small amount of sound from behind too and a good bit from the sides. Check out the diagrams of different pick up patterns to get to grips with it.

Output impedance: Don't worry about this one. No need for electrical theory right now.

Signal noise ratio: This is the difference between the noise floor of the microphone and a nominal signal level. For the rode, the signal is 74dB above the noise floor.

Equivalent Noise: This is the devices electrical self noise. It gives the equivalent dB SPL that would produce a voltage thats equal to the mic's self noise voltage. Mic's don't tend to make your audio noisy unless they are extremely poorly made.

Maximum SPL: This is the maximum dB SPL (sound pressure level) the mic can take without overloading. Essentially anything with extreme transients beyond 134dB SPL and the mic will distort.

Sensitivity Rating: Is the voltage the mic outputs at a standardized input level. The rode ouputs 15 mV @ 94 dB SPL. Mics with higher sensitivity ratings produce a stronger output signal voltage than ones with lower sensitivity.

Other Points:
Shotgun mics are highly sensitive to whats exactly in front of them. Sounds to the side and rear are mostly cancelled out due to the long tube its in. Also they can be either condensers or dynamics.

Dynamic mics can usually cope better with more transient sounds with high SPLs (ie: drums) than condensers can.

Lots of carzy technical detail there. I hope some of it helps.

Rob

[pcgfilms]

Lets take a test case then. The rode videomic.

Frequency range: 40Hz- 20kHz. Which would mean that it can pick up frequencies between these two figures. However always check the graph for a mics frequency response as it seriously accentuate or attenuate different frequencies. Which will dramatically alter its sound. You'll notice the rode has a slight accentuation at around 10kHz. It also has a switchable high pass filter which cuts some bass frequencies. In this case the high pass filter has a 12dB per octave drop starting at 80Hz. This means that for every octave below 80Hz the level will be 12 dB less.

Directional pattern: supercardioid. There's a picture of this response type on the rode sight. Basically it picks up mainly what it's pointed at, but it'll also pick up some a small amount of sound from behind too and a good bit from the sides. Check out the diagrams of different pick up patterns to get to grips with it.

Output impedance: Don't worry about this one. No need for electrical theory right now.

Signal noise ratio: This is the difference between the noise floor of the microphone and a nominal signal level. For the rode, the signal is 74dB above the noise floor.

Equivalent Noise: This is the devices electrical self noise. It gives the equivalent dB SPL that would produce a voltage thats equal to the mic's self noise voltage. Mic's don't tend to make your audio noisy unless they are extremely poorly made.

Maximum SPL: This is the maximum dB SPL (sound pressure level) the mic can take without overloading. Essentially anything with extreme transients beyond 134dB SPL and the mic will distort.

Sensitivity Rating: Is the voltage the mic outputs at a standardized input level. The rode ouputs 15 mV @ 94 dB SPL. Mics with higher sensitivity ratings produce a stronger output signal voltage than ones with lower sensitivity.

Other Points:
Shotgun mics are highly sensitive to whats exactly in front of them. Sounds to the side and rear are mostly cancelled out due to the long tube its in. Also they can be either condensers or dynamics.

Dynamic mics can usually cope better with more transient sounds with high SPLs (ie: drums) than condensers can.

Lots of carzy technical detail there. I hope some of it helps.

Rob

Thanks, It kind of did.

[evmo]

is this a good shotgun mic for the first timer http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7011903&type=product&id=1099392727238
i might get it tommow

[indymogulestage]

I need some mic recommedations, I'm getting the HV30 and I will of course be sticking my mic on a boom pole to film a short movie. I need some recommendations as to what mic or setup works well with the HV30.

[Nonsensical studios]

Rode Videomic

[freakonaleash223]

Rode Videomic

i 2nd that

[The_Count]

Rode videomic is a good choice.


dont get the ATR55.... please

[atomic9studios]

Listen to the count up der ^

But if you have it in your budget, look into an XLR adapter and a XLR mic such as the Azden SGM-1X :cool:

[dancingchickenproductions]

i 2nd that
I 3rd that.

The Rode VideoMic is a really good mic, good quality, affordable, integrated shock mount... the list goes on and on!

[indymogulestage]

is this the one you guys are recommending?
http://www.amazon.com/Rode-VideoMic-directional-Condenser-microphone/dp/B0007U9SOC/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1230963925&sr=8-1

[ciwi286]

dont get the ATR55.... please

Out of curiosity...what don't you like about it? Or is it because thats what everyone rushed out a bought and everyone said was great just because Erik said he had one?

[The_Count]

Out of curiosity...what don't you like about it? Or is it because thats what everyone rushed out a bought and everyone said was great just because Erik said he had one?


thats kinda the reason. its not as if its a terrible mic. I just think its price is more attractive than its quality. I really think its worth the extra for a rode videomic.


to the poster: apparently the website "jacks music factory" or something has the best price on the rode videomic.




also you may want to consider an xlr mic as mentioned above. the azden doesn't seem too bad. but youd have to get an adapter to run it into the 1/8 inch jack on your hv30.

the main advantage of xlr comes in the cable its self. you can have much longer lengths of cable that pick up less interference. however, the lengths youll be running with cable for the video mic shouldnt have any problems. i think mitch (forgot his username) knows the max length you should be using.

If you want to put the videomic on a boom pole youll need an extension lead, like one of these:

http://www.radioshack.com/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=&kw=1/8%20extension&origkw=1/8%20extension&sr=1

[Skycarl]

Like the Count mentioned, the cable is an important but many
times overlooked item. There are three basic types.
Unshielded, semi shielded, and full shielded.
The unshielded is just wires covered with a rubber tube. This is
most susceptible from outside interference.
The semi shielded uses a fine woven mesh as the ground and
insulation for the signal wires inside. These are better than the
unshielded but still can pick up unwanted signals from other
sources like power lines running next to them.
The full shield has a protective mesh covering all the wires inside
including the ground. This gives the best protection from outside
signals and interference that may sneak into your audio.

[RAM]

the main advantage of xlr comes in the cable its self. you can have much longer lengths of cable that pick up less interference. however, the lengths youll be running with cable for the video mic shouldnt have any problems.

The main thing isn't the cable! It's about the inputs and outputs of the equipment!

If you end up using a really long xlr cable with an unbalanced output, essentially you're making the shield of the xlr a big antennae!

Though this happens alot with unbalanced connections anyway. You NEED to keep unbalanced cable runs as short as possible.

Using an xlr won't magically clean up your audio. There is a lot more to it than that.

The full shield has a protective mesh covering all the wires inside
including the ground. This gives the best protection from outside
signals and interference that may sneak into your audio.

I presume you mean the shield covers the signal ground:D
As an explanation to others: what you get with an xlr(when used with a balanced input and output) is: a two core wire with a shield(ie:two twisted wires covered with a copper mesh shield). In this case one wire has the audio signal ground, while the shield carries the case grounds for the equipment.

If the equipment has been built right, the shield won't join the audio signal ground path. Thus any noise it picks up will be "grounded" without getting into your audio.

We really need to come up with a better word than "ground". There's far too many "grounds" in equipment. It can easily get confusing.

Rob

[WSNProductions]

I purchased the Rode VideoMic, what do i need to buy as far as extension for the cord so I can boom it?

[RAM]

what do i need to buy as far as extension for the cord so I can boom it?A two core shielded wire(ie: same cable as xlr) with a 3.5mm (stereo) socket on one end and whatever connecter you can use to hook it up to your camera on the other end.

Rob

[indymogulestage]

heads up guys seems bh photo has the Rode VideoMic for $129

[loosechange]

I'm looking into purchasing a quality shotgun microphone to use on a boom pole (the weekend extra build is what I'm doing).

My V1U came with a XLR shotgun mic, but let's be realistic, I know I'm going to need something better.

I want the best sound I can get. I want the right equipment. My philosophy is that you pay for quality, so I want to know that I'm getting my money's worth. I want to buy the right stuff the first time.

I'm reading a book titled "The Video Production Handbook - second edition" published by Gerald Millerson it's an old book (1992) anyways I just got done with the section covering audio.

If I want to get good sound for let's say making the best feature film I can possibly make. I know I'm going to need at least two shotgun microphones with wind mufflers to go along, a boom pole, and an audio mixer.

My brother owns this mixer.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/341021-REG/Alesis_MULTIMIX_8USB_MULTIMIX_8_USB.html

He uses it for recording his vocals for his music. (He raps www.myspace.com/mryg13)

Anyways is that above mixer any good for recording movie audio? It's only $150 so if he moves out I could just purchase my own no problem instead of borrowing his gear.

I originally figured to just plug the mic from the boom pole into my V1U's XLR port, but that doesn't give a lot of control when working with audio since you cant really control the sounds the way you could with a mixer.

If anyone can help me out by pointing me in the right direction with which shotgun mics and wind mufflers to get I'd appreciate it. send me a pm!

[loosechange]

I'm looking into purchasing a quality shotgun microphone to use on a boom pole (the weekend extra build is what I'm doing).

My V1U came with a XLR shotgun mic, but let's be realistic, I know I'm going to need something better.

I want the best sound I can get. I want the right equipment. My philosophy is that you pay for quality, so I want to know that I'm getting my money's worth. I want to buy the right stuff the first time.

I'm reading a book titled "The Video Production Handbook - second edition" published by Gerald Millerson it's an old book (1992) anyways I just got done with the section covering audio so I finally learned about audio mixers and microphone placement techniques all that good stuff.

If I want to get good sound for let's say making the best feature film I can possibly make. I know I'm going to need at least two shotgun microphones with wind mufflers to go along, a boom pole, and an audio mixer.

My brother owns this mixer.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...MIX_8_USB.html

He uses it for recording his vocals for his music. (He raps www.myspace.com/mryg13)

Anyways is that above mixer any good for recording movie audio? It's only $150 so if he moves out I could just purchase my own no problem instead of borrowing his gear. I ask because I look around in the mixers section and these things get expensive. Of course on my budget I don't need the most expensive product available, just something that's quality and can get the job done right.

I originally figured to just plug the mic from the boom pole into my V1U's XLR port, but that doesn't give a lot of control when working with audio since you cant really control the sounds the way you could with a mixer, only play with the volume.

So....
-Is this $150 audio mixer a good choice for recording audio?
-Which shotgun microphone and wind muffler to go along with that? (I'll probably be buying two, one on a boom pole the other mounted on camera.)
-On the subject of using the equipment... I plug the xlr cables from the mics into the mixer, but where do I plug the mixer into? Do I have to plug it into a computer and record my field audio directly into let's say FCP or Garage Band (meaning I would need to start using a clap board)? Or is it possible to plug from the mixer into an XLR port on my V1U and still have the audio placed on the tape? Basically, what's the right way to use this equipment?

If anyone can help me out by pointing me in the right direction with all of this I'd appreciate it. I know next to nothing in the field of audio for video other then recording room tone. send me a pm if necessary!

[Trekdude]

I do live events alot like football games, plays, concerts, and pretty much anything that would be worth recording. We do a live switch(All cameras are wired into a Video Switcher with clear-comms and all) For audio we use a Sennheiser Me66 attached to a C-Stand(http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/423592-REG/Sennheiser__ME66_K6_Super_Cardioid_Short.html) and run it with phantom power into a Mackie 1202 VLZ (Old mixer but reliable you can find them for about $100 or less). When available we run our audio through a compressor like the DBX 1066 Dual Compressor/Limiter (This makes it so that the audio never peaks so thats ones less thing to worry about) All this equipment is very reliable I have used them hundreds of times. The sound quality from the me66 is top notch, if your gonna use it out doors get a dead cat on it. I have seen me66 and the little mackies get poured on by rain and perform just as good the next day lol.

[Trekdude]

Too answer your other question you should plug into a board then plug into 1ch on your v1u. Put the v1u on 2 channel recording, 1 channel being your onboard mic and the other being your Mix. Do not use the V1u audio controls as you will get better results with a external mixer. Another thing to watch out for is your phantom power settings on the v1u depending on how your feed comes in its suppost to be on or off or else you get distortion and buzzing. I believe that the source and the v1u must have same setting but iam not sure.

[loosechange]

awesome thank you so much for your help I appreciate it!

[stikyfingas]

Just one thing to add, if you're going to shoot primarily indoors get an ME64 instead but if your shooting primarily outdoors get the ME66. I have both and the ME66 tends to get 'echo-y' indoors. Both are great mics. That's the great thing about the sennys you can get one K6 and a couple different capsules to use with it.

[Trekdude]

Thanks for the advice I might just look into the me64. I have been noticing that echo. Just another thing to add to the tool kit lol.

[Nonsensical studios]

I am in the market for a New, Non XLR mic.

I was thinking of The Rode Videomic. Anyone agree with this?

[elscottomagnifico]

The Rode Videomic is a very nice choice for a non XLR mic. Be sure to get the price from Jacks Music Factory if you're in the US ($120). You'll have to watch the length of audio extension you use and monitor for sound quality as well as interference (Non XLR mics are more susceptible to interference), but as long as you use it properly, the Videomic is a solid performer.

[treble]

I need a good microphone that can plug into my computer (not a microphone that needs a converter to be able to connect to my computer). Either good quality or at least something decent enough to use for good music on fl studio 8. thanks

[RAM]

You'll have to watch the length of audio extension you use and monitor for sound quality as well as interference (Non XLR mics are more susceptible to interference), but as long as you use it properly, the Videomic is a solid performer.

You won't have to watch the length with a Rode video mic. It'll be fine.

The xlr is just a connector. Not a mic type. Given the technical details I read on the rode site, they only chose to use the "stereo" mini jack connector so people wouldn't have a big trailing cable when mounting it on their cameras shoe.

If you really wanted you could cut the stereo minijack connector off and put on an xlr. Electrically, for the rode, it'd be doing the same job.

I need a good microphone that can plug into my computer (not a microphone that needs a converter to be able to connect to my computer). Either good quality or at least something decent enough to use for good music on fl studio 8. thanks

No such good mic exists. At least not in my opinion. Unless your computer has a sound card installed that is specifically designed for recording, you'll need some sort of converter. Well the mic will be good, actually no, it'll be bad, but I'm sure it could be worse. It can always be worse.

Save your money and invest in something good. The quality of your music will vastly improve.

Sorry to sound crass, but it might save you buying budget gear that you'll only end up replacing in the end. In my opinion it's always better to wait and get something great, than getting cheap budget gear,which is poorly designed, immediately.

Rob

[Nonsensical studios]

One more question about the Rode.

Would it be feasible to put it on a Boom Pole?

[RAM]

It should be ok on a boom pole. Obviously you'll need some sort of cable to use as an extension lead. Try it on the boom and on the camera and go for whichever sounds best. It seems to be pretty sensitive so make sure to maintain distance from particularly transient sounds(things like drum hits or claps).

Rob

[The_Count]

i gotta agree with RAM about the mic for music.

SAVE your money. Buy something good.

"Buy crap buy twice"

we could give you a lot more help if you told us what the microphone would be used to record. voice? electric guitar amps? acoustic guitar?

[woodentoe]

Blue makes excellent studio mics. they have a usb mic called the snowball:
http://www.bluemic.com/products/Snowball

They also have an XLR--->USB preamp/converter called the Icicle.

I can't attest to them specifically, but Bluemics are great studio mics, and typically cheaper than Rode and Neumann

[treble]

To add on from above, Im just mainly recording voice to fl studio. so i need a good computer mic for voice (singing) recording :).

[joezen777]

Are shotgun mics usually stereo?

[mch7]

The ATR-55 Really rocks. I recently bought it off Amazon. Its Great, Nice Sound, Cheap, and i also bought an extension cord for it for about 7 dollars (including shipping)

[bobaandy1]

Are shotgun mics usually stereo?


Nope.

[bobaandy1]

The ATR-55 Really rocks. I recently bought it off Amazon. Its Great, Nice Sound, Cheap, and i also bought an extension cord for it for about 7 dollars (including shipping)

Don't get too carried away with the 1/8th inch cable. More then a 10' run and you'll start having problems.

[elscottomagnifico]

Don't get too carried away with the 1/8th inch cable. More then a 10' run and you'll start having problems.
You can go upwards of 20' if you know how to work with it (But, shorter cable is better - so only use an extension that is a little longer than you need to reach the camera) - I wouldn't get too carried away with the ATR-55. I mean, it's a decent cheap/starter mic - as in, better than most onboard camera mics - but it's not as amazing as the hype on the forum makes it.

[mch7]

You can go upwards of 20' if you know how to work with it (But, shorter cable is better - so only use an extension that is a little longer than you need to reach the camera) - I wouldn't get too carried away with the ATR-55. I mean, it's a decent cheap/starter mic - as in, better than most onboard camera mics - but it's not as amazing as the hype on the forum makes it.
Yeah, i know its not the greatest, but i really like it, its got nice sound, and since it is my first, i like it so much better then the stupid camera mics. I made the homemade DIY boom pole and everything so it works great. I saved a bunch of money like that though. Thats why Indy Mogul RULES!

[nolan]

hey guys,im pretty new to the whole shotgun mic thing,so theoretically,if I was to get the HV20 (which has the 3.5mm mic input,i think), and maybe the atr-55,what cables would i need to a.connect the mic to the camera and b. have some extension cords for a boom pole,etc?

[JD]

hey guys,im pretty new to the whole shotgun mic thing,so theoretically,if I was to get the HV20 (which has the 3.5mm mic input,i think), and maybe the atr-55,what cables would i need to a.connect the mic to the camera and b. have some extension cords for a boom pole,etc?

You can connect the mic to the camera, i think the ATr has a 3.5 jack, or you can use a seperate recording device like a minidisk, but connecting to the camera is just easier. as for extensions you can get them or make them up yourself.

[aafilmproductions]

im looking for a mic for my camera (shotgun)

the camera i have is a sony HDR-CX7

[zachmanZM]

Hey, I got a question, I'm thinking about purchasing this Microphone for my canonZR900 video camera http://www.suntekstore.ca/14-37-inch-professional-shotgun-microphone-for-canon-camcorder.html Think it would be a good buy?

[EdDaveStudios]

I'm a bit lost, what would be the difference between a condenser microphone (Audio Technica ATR 25) and a shotgun mic (ATR 55). Because the ATR 25 is like half the price but I'm not sure if it will perform the same or similar to the ATR 55.

[god_emporer87]

I know these mics have been mentioned in this post but I haven't seen any further discussion so if I'm posting a question that has already been answered than please excuse me.

I've read about these cheap $30 Hong Kong knock off Shotgun Mics but I am curious as to how the quality would be. One of the recent EBay posts led me to find the model being a Sanhe SH-320E.

This is the product page on the official site. (http://www.cn-shanhe.com/en/product_d.asp?id=938)

And here is the link to one of the EBay pages. (http://cgi.ebay.com/Camera-Camcorder-Shotgun-MIC-Microphone-Audio-TV-Film_W0QQitemZ250424446356QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_A ccessories?hash=item3a4e75cd94&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A15%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7 C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)

Now, I know that you get what you payed for and trust me, I don't expect Hollywood quality audio from a mic at that price but I am compelled to think that it may suit my purposes. (Which is to use it in mainly documentary style interviews and also as a close-up boom.)

I mentioned it here because I am no audio expert. I mainly know how to operate a camera, do PA work and edit. I was hoping that some of the experts on here could shed some light as to why this may or may not work.

[grandadmiral]

Okay, so I bought this mircrophone: http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/AudioTechnica-AT875-Short-Shotgun-Microphone?sku=275051

I have a canan hv30 and a beachtek xlr adaptor. I was filming the other day and my audio sounded fine, but when it played at the theater, at several points it peaked and sounded terrible. I was recording in mono, experamenting with sound. I do not have a sound board when I film. I'm thinking of getting one, what would you recommend? Any thoughts on my problem. I posted the video under projects in the 48 hour film project thread. The vidoe is called MOM. Thanks for the help.

[LukBuk]

my computer is not cooperating with my audio technica AtR 55. What's going on?

[Skycarl]

I'm a bit lost, what would be the difference between a condenser microphone (Audio Technica ATR 25) and a shotgun mic (ATR 55). Because the ATR 25 is like half the price but I'm not sure if it will perform the same or similar to the ATR 55.

The ATR-55 and 25 are both boom and condenser mics.
The 55 is mono and the 25 is stereo. The 55 has two settings
for pick up, the 25 is just set with one.

I have never used a 55 but many people have and use them as
a mic alternative for their cameras. I have a 25 that I use with
my digital recorder ( no mic plug on my cameras ) and have found
it to be a pretty good deal for the buck. Noise levels were a
concern but the darn little thing is very noise free.
It doesn't grab the highs like higher end mics and could be
a little more powerful but for the price I found it to be an
outstanding deal. No on/off LED for the power switch makes
you pay attention to the switch or use a lot of batteries.

If you are looking for an inexpensive way to get the mic away
from the camera with it's noise and a narrow pick up field,
depending on stereo or mono needs, these will do it for you
cheap. For a few dollars more you can bump up the quality
to a Rodes or many others.
It depends on your budget and needs. Hope this helped.

[EdDaveStudios]

The ATR-55 and 25 are both boom and condenser mics.
The 55 is mono and the 25 is stereo. The 55 has two settings
for pick up, the 25 is just set with one.

I have never used a 55 but many people have and use them as
a mic alternative for their cameras. I have a 25 that I use with
my digital recorder ( no mic plug on my cameras ) and have found
it to be a pretty good deal for the buck. Noise levels were a
concern but the darn little thing is very noise free.
It doesn't grab the highs like higher end mics and could be
a little more powerful but for the price I found it to be an
outstanding deal. No on/off LED for the power switch makes
you pay attention to the switch or use a lot of batteries.

If you are looking for an inexpensive way to get the mic away
from the camera with it's noise and a narrow pick up field,
depending on stereo or mono needs, these will do it for you
cheap. For a few dollars more you can bump up the quality
to a Rodes or many others.
It depends on your budget and needs. Hope this helped.

Thanks for your help.

[RAM]

> Hey, I got a question, I'm thinking about purchasing this Microphone for my canonZR900 video camera http://www.suntekstore.ca/14-37-inch...camcorder.html (http://www.suntekstore.ca/14-37-inch-professional-shotgun-microphone-for-canon-camcorder.html) Think it would be a good buy?

>I've read about these cheap $30 Hong Kong knock off Shotgun Mics but I am curious as to how the quality would be. One of the recent EBay posts led me to find the model being a Sanhe SH-320E.

These both seem to be the same mic. Interesting price difference though. For the lower price I guess you can't go wrong. But I'm not particularly impressed by it's frequency response. Difficult to know what it'll actually sound like however. For the cheap eBay price it'd almost be worth buying it, you wouldn't waste much money if was bad and you'd pick up an okay mic for cheap if it's good. I reckon you'd be better served putting money aside for something better though.

> my computer is not cooperating with my audio technica AtR 55. What's going on?

I have no idea. Has it ever worked? What audio interface are you using?

Rob

[god_emporer87]

>These both seem to be the same mic. Interesting price difference though. For the lower price I guess you can't go wrong. But I'm not particularly impressed by it's frequency response. Difficult to know what it'll actually sound like however. For the cheap eBay price it'd almost be worth buying it, you wouldn't waste much money if was bad and you'd pick up an okay mic for cheap if it's good. I reckon you'd be better served putting money aside for something better though.

Well, now that I have gotten some money and need to budget it among other necessities, I think I'll take my chances and purchase the mic. I've ordered electronics from these Hong Kong knockoff companies before and haven't really had any problems. The fan in my computer works fine and the Stereo to XLR adapter I got for my camera hasn't given me any problems.

Thanks for you input. When I get it I'll post my results for others to see the sound quality of the mic.

[El Dahveed]

Hello! I have a quick question concerning shotgun mics, would you plug them directly in to the audio jack on your camera? If not, then where would you plug it in to record the sound? Thanks in advance for any help that can be provided!

[Skycarl]

Hello! I have a quick question concerning shotgun mics, would you plug them directly in to the audio jack on your camera? If not, then where would you plug it in to record the sound? Thanks in advance for any help that can be provided!

Well El, for the filmmakers that have a camera with a mic input,
most will use that so they don't have to sync their audio.

For us who don't have that convenience, we have to plug into
an external recorder of some type. I use a hand held digital
recorder. Some may plug into a mixer setup or if they have a
laptop, they may plug into that to record. Then you have to
sync the recorded audio with the audio on the camera in post
using an editor program.

Either way helps eliminate camera noise and a more direct
pick up pattern for your talents vocals. Hope this helped.

[zachmanZM]

> Hey, I got a question, I'm thinking about purchasing this Microphone for my canonZR900 video camera http://www.suntekstore.ca/14-37-inch...camcorder.html (http://www.suntekstore.ca/14-37-inch-professional-shotgun-microphone-for-canon-camcorder.html) Think it would be a good buy?

>I've read about these cheap $30 Hong Kong knock off Shotgun Mics but I am curious as to how the quality would be. One of the recent EBay posts led me to find the model being a Sanhe SH-320E.

These both seem to be the same mic. Interesting price difference though. For the lower price I guess you can't go wrong. But I'm not particularly impressed by it's frequency response. Difficult to know what it'll actually sound like however. For the cheap eBay price it'd almost be worth buying it, you wouldn't waste much money if was bad and you'd pick up an okay mic for cheap if it's good. I reckon you'd be better served putting money aside for something better though.

> my computer is not cooperating with my audio technica AtR 55. What's going on?

I have no idea. Has it ever worked? What audio interface are you using?

Rob

thanks, I ordered the mic and when I get it Ill see how it works

[WSNProductions]

in your opinions what is the best wireless mic you can buy and what are the cheap alternatives that will plug into a canon gl1?

[abombloves]

okay,so my friend and I are filming our first movie with a boom mic this summer and we were wondering, what device should we get to record the mic?

[DigitalVideo]

I was planning on buying a rode videomic from Jack's Music Factory, and then came along this production kit:

http://jacksmusicfactory.com/default.asp?productid=91520

Has anyone bought the whole kit from there? If so, can you tell me if the boom pole and extension cable were worth it? I know the mic is reliable from there, but the whole kit I'm not sure about. I need input!

[zachmanZM]

okay,so my friend and I are filming our first movie with a boom mic this summer and we were wondering, what device should we get to record the mic?

Well, Before I answer your question, There is no such thing as a boom mic, Their are dynamic mics, Shotgun mics, lavalier mics, But no such thing as a boom mic, But, for your actual question, you can use your cameras mic input or you can use a mini disk recorder

[FlippytheMaster]

Does the iPhone take external microphones through their headphone jack? I know the iPod Touch does, but I've never heard anything about the iPHONE.

[god_emporer87]

I know these mics have been mentioned in this post but I haven't seen any further discussion so if I'm posting a question that has already been answered than please excuse me.

I've read about these cheap $30 Hong Kong knock off Shotgun Mics but I am curious as to how the quality would be. One of the recent EBay posts led me to find the model being a Sanhe SH-320E.

This is the product page on the official site. (http://www.cn-shanhe.com/en/product_d.asp?id=938)

And here is the link to one of the EBay pages. (http://cgi.ebay.com/Camera-Camcorder-Shotgun-MIC-Microphone-Audio-TV-Film_W0QQitemZ250424446356QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_A ccessories?hash=item3a4e75cd94&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A15%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7 C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)

Now, I know that you get what you payed for and trust me, I don't expect Hollywood quality audio from a mic at that price but I am compelled to think that it may suit my purposes. (Which is to use it in mainly documentary style interviews and also as a close-up boom.)

I mentioned it here because I am no audio expert. I mainly know how to operate a camera, do PA work and edit. I was hoping that some of the experts on here could shed some light as to why this may or may not work.

Alright, I took a chance and ordered the mic, waited two weeks for it to get here from China and in all honesty I am satisfied with the quality.

It may not be Hollywood quality but for somebody with an extremely low budget and just starting out I'd recommend these things.

[zachmanZM]

I got my shotgun mic from hong kong, Very good quality for 50$! No fuzz at all!

[god_emporer87]

Yeah, they're great.

I think a lot of people are skeptical though because of Hong Kong being a haven for bootleg products when in all actuality it's the same thing you could buy here but with a different name since the American product was probably made in the same Hong Kong factory.

[zachmanZM]

Yeah, they're great.

I think a lot of people are skeptical though because of Hong Kong being a haven for bootleg products when in all actuality it's the same thing you could buy here but with a different name since the American product was probably made in the same Hong Kong factory.

Yep, They are probably the same, Example an audio technica atr-55 is probably just a hong kong shotgun mic with some fancy packaging and a different name, Go Hong Kong Shotgun Mics!

[The_Count]

Well, Before I answer your question, There is no such thing as a boom mic, Their are dynamic mics, Shotgun mics, lavalier mics, But no such thing as a boom mic, But, for your actual question, you can use your cameras mic input or you can use a mini disk recorder

technically, there is no such thing as a boom mic. But you can assume when someone says 'boom mic' they mean a mic on a boom, which is technically correct. OXYMORON! GAH!?

*ahem*

anyway, to OP of question. External devices for capturing audio, you may wish to check out this thread: http://forum.indymogul.com/showthread.php?t=21702

[cwbranum]

I've been using a RODE NTG-3, very nice mic, less than the Sennhieser but still around 700-800. I also use a K-Tek carbon fiber articulating pole with internal wiring. Wish I had 2 of them but my budget won't allow for a 2nd boom pole.

[WakeUpStudios]

I know you covered this in Q an Erik, but i dont have time to look through old episodes...no offense haha

Anyway, I don't have an audio jack on my camera and I was wondering how to use a shotgun mic w/o it

[zlindee]

I know you covered this in Q an Erik, but i dont have time to look through old episodes...no offense haha

Anyway, I don't have an audio jack on my camera and I was wondering how to use a shotgun mic w/o it

I don't know much about this, so you'll probably want to wait for another response, but since I'm here:
You'll need somewhere to save the audio. I think a digital recorder or a tape recorder will do, as long as you can input it to your computer. And be sure to us a clapboard, or clap your hands in front of the camera and in range of the mic so you can sync the audio with the video.

And now I need to ask a question. I'm thinking about buying a mic, but have very little money. I wanted to know if this http://www.guitarcenter.com/Rode-Microphones-VideoMic-Shotgun-Condenser-Microphone-103154019-i1126930.gc would be worth the investment. I don't have an accessory rail on my camera, so I'd have to rig something up, but I'm not worried about that. If this mic is crap, please let me know, and I'd appreciate any suggestions in a similar price range. I'm just looking for a decent all around mic to replace the internal mic on my camera.

[zlindee]

Never mind my question, I did some more research, then bought it.

[RedSirenFilms]

Ok so right now I have a ATR55 with a boom pole and I dont like it all, it only records through the left ear. Granted I dont have the mono to stereo adapter. I do have the money to buy either the Rode video mic or the new Rode stereo mic which would be better for my use? (I do a lot of short skits and short films) so im looking for the top of the line in audio. Because we all know audio makes the movie. So what do you suggest I do? Buy the mono to stereo adapter at Radioshack, buy the rode video mic or buy the rode stereo mic?

Thanks for the help,
Ryan

[jasonahlquist]

I'm thinking of getting an HD Camcorder with a 3.5mm stereo mini jack for an external microphone. Would it be possible to hook this up with a really long cable to a mixer board or something - and then hook that up to several boom mics? Essentially making the camcorder a digital audio recording device while it also shoots video?

I found this site with all sorts of goodies that got my imagination going:superjustin:, but I'm not enough of a camcorder audio tech to see any pieces of the plan that I'm not thinking of.

http://www.showmecables.com/JVC-Camera-Camcorder-Cables.html

[zachmanZM]

Ok so right now I have a ATR55 with a boom pole and I dont like it all, it only records through the left ear. Granted I dont have the mono to stereo adapter. I do have the money to buy either the Rode video mic or the new Rode stereo mic which would be better for my use? (I do a lot of short skits and short films) so im looking for the top of the line in audio. Because we all know audio makes the movie. So what do you suggest I do? Buy the mono to stereo adapter at Radioshack, buy the rode video mic or buy the rode stereo mic?

Thanks for the help,
Ryan

You can change it to both speakers in your editing program, but if you insist, just buy the mono to stereo adapter for like 5 bucks max at radioshack

[Globeversal Pictures]

I'm buying a shotgun mic for a small camcorder (canon vixia hf100)... Ideas?

[elscottomagnifico]

Ok so right now I have a ATR55 with a boom pole and I dont like it all, it only records through the left ear. Granted I dont have the mono to stereo adapter. I do have the money to buy either the Rode video mic or the new Rode stereo mic which would be better for my use? (I do a lot of short skits and short films) so im looking for the top of the line in audio. Because we all know audio makes the movie. So what do you suggest I do? Buy the mono to stereo adapter at Radioshack, buy the rode video mic or buy the rode stereo mic?

Thanks for the help,
RyanIf you are okay with the sound you get in that left channel, then a mono to stereo adapter or an editing program that lets you copy your left channel into the right channel to make it fill up the stereo track is okay. Personally, I don't very much like the ATR's audio performance - it's okay for a super low budget starter mic, but it isn't anything amazing - so I would go with the Rode Videomic.

[zachmanZM]

I'm buying a shotgun mic for a small camcorder (canon vixia hf100)... Ideas?
Probably the rode videomic or the ATR-55

[elscottomagnifico]

I'm thinking of getting an HD Camcorder with a 3.5mm stereo mini jack for an external microphone. Would it be possible to hook this up with a really long cable to a mixer board or something - and then hook that up to several boom mics? Essentially making the camcorder a digital audio recording device while it also shoots video?

I found this site with all sorts of goodies that got my imagination going:superjustin:, but I'm not enough of a camcorder audio tech to see any pieces of the plan that I'm not thinking of.

http://www.showmecables.com/JVC-Camera-Camcorder-Cables.htmlYou can do it, but if you use too long of a 3.5mm cable to hook into the cam you're going to start introducing a greater amount of interference/noise.

[Romanov Dynasty]

I know that a lot of people have suggested the Audio Technica ATR-55 mic, but I also came across the ATR6550 and I'm not too sure of the differences, or which one is better.

[jasonahlquist]

You can do it, but if you use too long of a 3.5mm cable to hook into the cam you're going to start introducing a greater amount of interference/noise.

I came across some good tutorials on the joys of field mixers. I actually think I have some friends who have some (lots of Dj's in my life for some weird reason). I'm kinda thinking that I can plug my camera into one of these through its puny 8mm jack with the help of an 8mm-xlr adapter, and then - with the power boost and magical knobs on the field mixer I should be able to attach more than one boom mic into it's bank of hardy xlr jacks. I'll try and get one of the DJ friends to help me out with this of course. Heck, I'll just plug HIM into the mixer as well with a set of studio headphones. Does it sound like this might work or am I still missing something tricky?

[chicken0207]

Im looking to use and external mic on a boompole and plug the mic in to this http://www.edirol.net/products/en/R-09/ , im wondering what is my best option for under 100 bucks.

thanks

chicken0207

[FlippytheMaster]

What type of external recorder would any of you recommend for under 50 bucks? It's gotta be compatible with Mac with USB, and it has to have external mic input. I've been trying to find it on my own, but it hasn't really worked out, so I was hoping some of you would help me out.

[Patuman]

I just bought a Audio-Technica AT835b shotgun microphone and I have two questions.

The first thing is that I got it from a friend that didn't need it anymore and he had lost the mount that clips onto the mic and then attaches to the cameras accessory shoe.

Where can I find such an mount, and I'm not talking about a fancy shockmount, just the clip. BHphoto only sells shockmounts and microphone stand mounts, or that's all I found.

The other thing is, that the mic is an XLR connector one, and my Sony HDR-FX1 only has a 3,5mm socket. I know of the Beachtek XLR to 3.5mm adapter device, but I find that it's very expensive.

Is there a simple adapter that just connects a XLR cord to a 3,5mm cord/plug?

[zachmanZM]

I just bought a Audio-Technica AT835b shotgun microphone and I have two questions.

The first thing is that I got it from a friend that didn't need it anymore and he had lost the mount that clips onto the mic and then attaches to the cameras accessory shoe.

Where can I find such an mount, and I'm not talking about a fancy shockmount, just the clip. BHphoto only sells shockmounts and microphone stand mounts, or that's all I found.

The other thing is, that the mic is an XLR connector one, and my Sony HDR-FX1 only has a 3,5mm socket. I know of the Beachtek XLR to 3.5mm adapter device, but I find that it's very expensive.

Is there a simple adapter that just connects a XLR cord to a 3,5mm cord/plug?
okay, well you shouldn't have bought the mic unless you knew you had the correct connectors, but I'm betting online you can find an xlr to 3.5mm converter cord, or gat an xlr extension cable and then a 3.5mm extension cable and try to solder them together, and you could probably find a mount at your local guitar centre

[blitzkrieg]

I have 3 Canon HV30 cameras that NEED (Bold intended) external mics. Looking for suggestions. My requirements: Good quality, low cost, perhaps the ability to be boomed. These are for my school and my summer digital video workshop. Help me!

[stikyfingas]

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/481529-REG/Audio_Technica__AT897_Shotgun_Microphone.html a decent kit that has everything you need

[blitzkrieg]

Not a bad kit! Price is in the range as well. You eber used the AT? Any cons to the mic?

[stikyfingas]

I have one I have moved up in quality but i still keep the at897 in my bag it's a lot less sensitive to handling noise as some. I think it puts out great sound for the price.

[Patuman]

I solved my problem myself... Just soldered a 3,5mm jack and cord to a XLR end. Works just fine...

[daveTHEbirdman]

i have an sanyo xacti, and now i want to utilize a shotgun or boom mic, is this possible with this camera? sorry if this is a repost

[daveTHEbirdman]

i have an sanyo xacti, and now i want to utilize a shotgun or boom mic, is this possible with this camera? sorry if this is a repost

no one?

[Indietasticore]

hey, Im looking for external wireless mics that are not as expensive as boom mics but not as limited as lapel mics. Any suggestions?

[aafilmproductions]

im going to be purchasing these items soon tell me how this set up sounds.


1 Audio Technica ATR-55 Condenser Shotgun Microphone (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00006J04Z/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=A13BNE3P7C8THK&v=glance)
1-2 Audio-Technica ATR-35S Lavalier Microphone (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00006I51V/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=A2JUPN4BTA3CZV&v=glance)
1-2 external audio recording devices (digital audio recorder)
2 3.5mm Stereo Male to Female Extension Cable 25 ft. (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0015V1H28/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=A2NK89850H0GO2&v=glance) (total of 50 ft)
1 Pearstone Microphone Adapter for Sony Camcorder Hot Shoe

the subtotal is about $147.21-165.41(for one digital audio recorder)

friend is going to grab one himself

[Randomman4]

Quick Question, should I get the ATR-55 or the ATR-25 the 25 is stereo or do I really not need stereo and having the zoom would be better.

THough they are both so Cheap I could get both eventually, but I need one of them for now, which is the better?

[thegadgetdude]

Now I've just invested in a new camcorder i was searching for threads about good shotgun mic's and ended up back on this thread i made in 2007! Didn't realise it got popular, currently looking at the rode/audio technica/senn's at the moment.

[bentrinh]

I have a couple of newbie questions...


When you're recording from the boom mic, what do you use to capture the audio? The camcorder? Some sorta separate piece of equipment?
There's a lot of noise when I try to capture audio from this mic using computers (even with an Audigy ZS 2). The sound ends up very quiet and I have to amplify it, leaving a lot of humming in the background. I plugged it into a guitar amp and a home theater receiver and the mic seems to be "clean" then. I wonder if it's actually useful for anything.

Specs of mic from the box:

Pioneer DM-21
Type: Dynamic (moving coil)
Uni-directional
Frequency response: 100 to 15,000Hz
Sensitivity: -77dB/1kHz (0dB=1V/ubar)
Impedance: 500 ohms