How do you guys do special effects?

[CindyLynn]

Ohkay. So. Look. I know nothing about digital effects.

I'm a pyrotechnics expert. That means. I make booms.
So just wait. If someone comes to me, and says, "I need a bomb to go off in my movie!" I go, take the actor and make him setup a fake bomb. Then go in and setup a real bomb, blow the bomb off and record it. Pretty simple...
-- oh and normally a lot of gasoline is used around the bomb, to make it look better.

So I tried to get into the digital stuff... thinking I could save time and money by combining my "boom" with some digital effects. So I started simple. I took a picture of a table, then made a 3d model of a brick.

And by 3d model, I mean google sketchup and the "square" tool.

So my question stands, how do I combine the two?

[Wra1th13]

Pyrotechnics Expert? Phew, nice. Anyway to combine the two you have to use a green screen program to key it out like this:http://www.indymogul.com/4minfilmschool/episode/FS_20080620, use the same concept , cept with the brick. Good Luck.

[Sacman]

Most 3D applications will render out with an alpha channel already incorporated. I am certain Sketchup will do the same but you would have to figure it out. When I render 3D animations, I will typically do a targa sequence with an alpha channel. When you import into AE or other compositing software, it will recognize the alpha channel. You don't have to take the extra step of keying it out.

If you need to composite both the 'brick' and the explosion into a third image or sequence, then you will have to film your explosion against a solid color background and key it out as indicated above.

[CindyLynn]

Thanks SO much sacman, I totally understood exactly what you where saying there.


-Not.


But this (http://www.indymogul.com/4minfilmschool/episode/FS_20080620) was a good link that did not turn up when I searched. I'll watch the video a few times -- but it really doesn't make it clear to me how anyone makes a digital explosion.

[DaiMoGui]

If you look at the Detonation Films (http://www.detonationfilms.com/UnitK-3.html) site they have a tutorial page (http://www.detonationfilms.com/tutorials.htm). This gives a basic rundown of how you combine the effects. You film your fire in the real world with a solid background. Green for chroma key (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroma_key) or black for alpha matte (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_compositing).

You need to make sure you have a really controlled environment with proper fire gear. Maybe if you had an outdoor concrete wall with some fire retardant additive (http://www.hytechsales.com/fire_proofing.html) added to your paint. Obviously you would want this area to be yards away from anything remotely flammable.

Good luck,

-DaiMoGui

[CindyLynn]

If its one thing I know how to do... its film fire. I was trained professionally.
Its the digital problem, thanks for the tut.
-- dident really help. See I know how to use a green screen...


See making them digital is a pain, because lets say you've got your boom, and then a picture of a guy with a gun. How could you line the blast up with the barrel of the gun?

[DaiMoGui]

If its one thing I know how to do... its film fire. I was trained professionally.
Its the digital problem, thanks for the tut.

I don't doubt that you know how to film fire.

Safety is always a major issue when working with chaotic elements. I had to state such things because you never who is going to try something like this. Next thing I know some 13 year old burned his house and entire family because he just spray painted his brick garage and lit it on fire.

-DaiMoGui

[CB2001]

Very... very.... very slowly. And sober. J/k

[CindyLynn]

Oh DaiMoGui I wasen't offended.
http://www.lzbetty.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/057_57.JPG

Pictured: My blasting ground.


I was just making sure you knew that I'm not going to go blow my house up. I have a blasting range that I use frequently, and that, my friend, is the only thing that will be blowing up. I accually have some pictures that may aid the safty process.
-- I was using my laptop that has the "wax" video editor. This has the ability to do the "picture in a picture" feature. The "black" color replaces "green" in the "chroma key" setting. I was able to put an explosion [that I downloaded off that website, as I dont have any explosion videos set to a black or green screen] in a picture of a desert digitally, but had little control over how the explosion was placed.

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X shows explosion's placed point.

I could not rotate the explosion, shrink the explosion, or move the explosion. In the case of what I was attempting to do, place muzzleflash on gun barrels, and simulate explosions from handbombs. I do not know the english word for "handbombs" but you should... soldiers use them in battle.

[Fisherking]

"Handbombs" - probably referring to grenades.

Most keying programs will allow you to transform the video - scale, rotation, position, etc. You just have to align the thing by eye.

[CindyLynn]

"Handbombs" - probably referring to grenades.

Most keying programs will allow you to transform the video - scale, rotation, position, etc. You just have to align the thing by eye.

Yeah. And by "keying program" you mean any program that isen't Sony Vegas, or Wax. Right? Cuz I found rotating impossable.

[Sacman]

If you do a search on the WAX Forums, apparently there is a 3D Plugin that allows you to rotate in 3D space. In order to get the muzzle flashes to line up in anything other than the flat plane this is what you will have to do.

Here is a link to a thread about it from the search.

http://www.debugmode.com/userforums/viewtopic.php?t=1941&highlight=rotate

I had never heard of Wax until this thread so I know nothing about it but I hope this helps.

As far as scaling goes, I can't imagine that it does not let you scale a layer. Keep looking. I did a search on the forums for that and came up blank.

[Vaughn Whynot]

i am sorry for going of topic
but i must say Cindy your amazing
there is no way i could ever get mad at you
your very bright and with your info buzzing around the forum
i think it going to help out alot of these guys
thanks
Vaughn

[nooneimportant77]

I might not be totally up to the minute here, but Sketchup almost has to have an export feature, for a movie, or image sequence. Most 3d programs I've used do the image sequence thing, and I can't remember if you can have an alpha, because I use cinema 4d which can export compositing mattes for you. In any case, you would need to export the movie/image sequence of the brick, and IF there is the option of "RGB+" or "RGB+Alpha" choose that, then the editor should be able to just lay the movie/image sequence right over your footage, and you can adjust it and put it wherever you want. If you can't export with an alpha channel, you'll have to make a matte out of the render. That shouldn't be too hard if the render is just one isolated object like the brick. Just duplicate the layer of the 3d render, make it black and white, push the contrast until the brick turns white and everything else is black, and use it as a luma matte. I'm not sure how to do this in all editing applications, but it should be possible.

Hope that helps some, I'm a lot better with effects in After Effects, or Final Cut Pro, if you have any questions about those you can ask me.

[BandDfilms]

it would actually be called visual effects, special effects you do on location such as actually having an explosison, visual effects would be adding in that explosion on a computer

[nooneimportant77]

^ tru dat

[KMProductions]

it would actually be called visual effects, special effects you do on location such as actually having an explosison, visual effects would be adding in that explosion on a computer


Actually I think you have that backwards.

EDIT: Sorry, I had it backwards. I just looked it up.

[nooneimportant77]

Actually I think you have that backwards. Visual effects is if you have a smoke machine on set and use it. Special is if you add a fire later in post.

No he's right.

a greater distinction between special effects and visual effects has been recognized, with "visual effects" referring to post-production and optical effects, and "special effects" referring to on-set mechanical effects. - from Wikipedia, not the BEST source, but whatever.

Visual effects are in a computer, because all they are are visual, you cant touch them or stand next to them in real life. special effects are on a set.

[KMProductions]

No he's right.

- from Wikipedia, not the BEST source, but whatever.

Visual effects are in a computer, because all they are are visual, you cant touch them or stand next to them in real life. special effects are on a set.

Yeah, I got that. lol Read my edit to the post. heh heh

[nooneimportant77]

Word.

[DaiMoGui]

I might not be totally up to the minute here, but Sketchup almost has to have an export feature, for a movie, or image sequence.

If you can't export with an alpha channel, you'll have to make a matte out of the render.

Yes, you can export both video and still images from Sketchup.

As far as I know, you can't export with an alpha channel.

But you really don't need it if you are just compositing elements on top of the image.

Though if you wanted that object in another space, you could draw your object in a green room so that you can key it out. I know I am stating the obvious here, but it's for the others that might read this who don't know.

-DaiMoGui

[mr Tree]

if you are lookng at doing this regualy it would probably be worth investing in Adobe After Effects. it does take a while to learn but would save alot of time

[CindyLynn]

it would actually be called visual effects, special effects you do on location such as actually having an explosison, visual effects would be adding in that explosion on a computer

Your right. But because I do all my explosions "in real life" I called it "special effects," not knowing in the digital world its differs.

[google550]

I agree with Mr. Tree.

(hahah, that rhymes!)

I think that Adobe After Effects would be a great investment. I have it, and made myself proficient by guesswork and some Videocopilot (http://videocopilot.net) tutorials.

It's a great tool that helps me get my vision out there, and I would strongly advise you get it if you want to broaden your film horizons.

[TiE_Shepherd]

Oh DaiMoGui I wasen't offended.
http://www.lzbetty.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/057_57.JPG

Pictured: My blasting ground.


Okay so this is where you set off you bombs? Since you titled the picture "My blasting ground."

Wow I am impressed. It must be pretty expensive to fly back and forth to Vietnam everytime you want to let off a bomb.

FYI apparently her blasting ground is located in Phan Thiet, Vietnam. Her image is lifted directly from the page below. Scroll about 1/3 of the way down the page to see it...

http://www.lzbetty.com/id2.html

[CindyLynn]

:rolleyes: Do some research on me, please. You'd be interested to know where I live now &; where I've lived in the past. I like getting all this flack from Mr Total Posts: 13. And half your posts are bitching about me. Jesuums.

Once I posted a mini-auto-biography about being born in (communist) poland &; working in germany.
-- oh and I hotlinked that image. Just right click on the image and copy the name, right click on page and press ctrl +f (for find) then paste and find the link.

I'm not sure why you want to just come here and start attacking me. I'm not proud but I'm a pretty reasonably-respected forum member.

And also.
http://www.lzbetty.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/080_80.JPG
This is my cow too. I ride him on mondays back and fourth to work. Only on mondays though. If I ever tried to ride him on sunday, he would get mad and buck me off. His favourit dish is Pecan Pie.

EDIT:
Two cows. I have to cows. Sorry. Diden't see that other one. The first cow is the one I ride, the other one ummm... he just sits there. Hes lazy.

EDIT 2:
Holy Cow. Theres four. I dident see those two effin skinny things in the left hand corner. They must be annerexic or something. Yeah. See they carry my camera gear &; the other one carries the bombs.

-- In other words. I get that you can pretty easily spew bullsh*t on the internet. But dont go hunting for it. I could see if I was making dangerous posts telling kids to do stupid things, but all my posts are pretty clean.

[TiE_Shepherd]

I'm sorry what was the point in all the cow stuff? I'm just calling it like I see it. So basically you're saying it's okay to lie about being a "pyrotechnic expert" as long as you don't give out dangerous advice?

Since you made me do it. This is a quote from another thread...


I'm 25 years old. I currently live in the USA, but was born in communist poland. My family moved to Ireland, then to the USA in 1992. I have lived here for 16 years. I experienced hollywood special effects first hand when I was 17, when my film-writer grandfather offered me the chance to observe his close friends film, "Enemy at the Gates." Enemy at the Gates is a 2001 war film, about the soviet union in World War Two.

I was licensed to fire automatic weapons by Twitchles Fireing & Blasting Rage, when I was 19. I was trained by Ret. Sgt. John Benniot in the use of high explosives, again at Twitchles Fireing & Blasting Rage. Twitchles is licensed by the government of the USA to train and license its trainees in explosive use and demolition.

Didn't see anything in there about setting off your explosions in Vietnam. Also does this Twitchles blasting range have a website or anything since google couldn't find anything. Couldn't find anything on the sergeant either. Guess he must be behind the cows huh?

[CindyLynn]

Guess he must be behind the cows huh?Duh, can't you see him? He's just dressed up in his military gear so he blends right in.


I really dont feel like dealing with you. You must have some serious grudge on me. What'd I do to you? Its known as Twitchell Airport (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitchell_Airport) and had a website. They double as a shooting range.
Go pick on this guy (http://forum.indymogul.com/showthread.php?t=12227), hes asking for money. Hes worse then me.
I could scan my license, and birth papers, if you wish.

Taken from a contact blimp:
Monmouth Fish & Game Assn., c/o
Sgt. John Benniot
P.O. Box 502, Monmouth, ME 04259.
Phone: 207 - [removed for indy mogul forum]
Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (50 ft), Indoor Pistol (10 meters, air), Outdoor Rifle (100 ft), Pistol Silhouette, Trap, Archery, Airgun
Range Access: Private

Please, do contact him.

So basically you're saying it's okay to lie about being a "pyrotechnic expert" as long as you don't give out dangerous advice?Uhmm. Lying is basicly a bad thing. So I don't do it. But if your not giving dangerous advice, your not hurting anyone, so.

[Skycarl]

I could not rotate the explosion, shrink the explosion, or move the explosion. In the case of what I was attempting to do, place muzzleflash on gun barrels, and simulate explosions from handbombs. I do not know the english word for "handbombs" but you should... soldiers use them in battle.

Cindy, I may be off on what you are asking, but if I understand,
you want to manipulate the blast flash around.
What you need to do is have the blast in a separate layer.
That way you should be able to control the size, where it's
placed and where it goes by controlling the layer.
I might not understand what you are looking for but I hope
this helped.

edit: I just noticed the link and reference to Vaughn. What is that all about?
He is in an extremely difficult situation at the moment and has asked for help from
people he knows. You write that people are attacking you and wonder why.
Posting comments like that will paint a big red target on your ass.
An apology may be in order to him for posting that.

[nooneimportant77]

Woah wait, first of all leave Vaughan out of this. Second of all, you're not actually qualified for any of the stuff you keep saying you're qualified to do?

[TiE_Shepherd]

Its known as Twitchell Airport (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitchell_Airport) and had a website. They double as a shooting range.
Go pick on this guy (http://forum.indymogul.com/showthread.php?t=12227), hes asking for money. Hes worse then me.
I could scan my license, and birth papers, if you wish.

Taken from a contact blimp:
Please, do contact him.

Uhmm. Lying is basicly a bad thing. So I don't do it. But if your not giving dangerous advice, your not hurting anyone, so.

Okay wait a second. It's a working airport that according to the link YOU posted averages 93 flights a day? And they double as a shooting range and according to your other thread they're also a blasting range? Wow I really think the FAA might have a problem with an airport being used to set off explosives.

About the "other guy". I don't know Vaughn, but why would you say something about someone that is having a hard go at things? He has nothing to do with it, so why bring it up?

I simply called you on stuff that I saw was BS and the best reply you could come up with was to pick on somone else and that I'm a "junior member" with "13 posts". Well I don't need to be a senior member to smell Bull crap when I step into a thread that's full of it.

As for the advice thing. I would say giving someone the wrong infomation, even if it's not "dangerous", is still a bad thing.

So back to my question. That picture of your blasting range is in Vietnam. So do you fly all the way there everytime you want to set off an explosion?

[stefanocasadei]

http://www.twitchells3b5.com/home.html

they HAVE a website, for all your guys' information.

you'd think they would have a more prominent advertising of their so-called Shooting & Blasting Range

[TiE_Shepherd]

http://www.twitchells3b5.com/home.html

they HAVE a website, for all your guys' information.

you'd think they would have a more prominent advertising of their so-called Shooting & Blasting Range

Good Find.

Man I really need to move to Maine. I can't even take nail clippers on a flight out here, but out there they get to use guns AND explosives at the airport.

[CindyLynn]

I just noticed the link and reference to Vaughn. What is that all about?
He is in an extremely difficult situation at the moment and has asked for help from
people he knows. You write that people are attacking you and wonder why.
Posting comments like that will paint a big red target on your ass.
An apology may be in order to him for posting that.
Bah I don't need to apologise. Just calm the f*ck down. I have never mad a comment like that. I just said that I found it odd how he suddenly attacked me and said my claims where "bullshit," while leaving Vaughn, who has been questioned alone.

...they get to use guns AND explosives at the airport.
Its really a small airport. Yes they get 75-90 flights a day but they are not set up to take more then a small plane. Most "real" flights are sent to the Lewiston Auburn Airport, and the biggist flights to the portland jetport.

[Skycarl]

Bah I don't need to apologise. Just calm the f*ck down. I have never mad a comment like that. I just said that I found it odd how he suddenly attacked me and said my claims where "bullshit," while leaving Vaughn, who has been questioned alone.




I'm calm Cindy. I'm always calm. You seem to be the one a little hyper at the moment.
You mentioned people are attacking you. I just pointed out one
reason and a possible way to quell that problem.
I saw it as a mean hit on someone who had no part of
the current conversation going on and perhaps you could find
a kind place in your heart to fix that hit. No skin off me.

[TiE_Shepherd]

Bah I don't need to apologise. Just calm the f*ck down. I have never mad a comment like that. I just said that I found it odd how he suddenly attacked me and said my claims where "bullshit," while leaving Vaughn, who has been questioned alone.


Its really a small airport. Yes they get 75-90 flights a day but they are not set up to take more then a small plane. Most "real" flights are sent to the Lewiston Auburn Airport, and the biggist flights to the portland jetport.

Yes I call bullshit on this whole airport story. I really find it impossible to believe in a million years... expecially in the wake of 9/11, that the FAA would allow a shooting range on the same property as an airport, on top of that also a BLASTING RANGE?? Are you kidding me? I don't care how small the airport is, this is bull and you know it. You're just trying to cover you tracks as you did in the other thread when I called you out for taking credit for a photograph that was not your own.

If you honestly are a "pyrotechnics expert" and a photographer how come you've posted all these how to's and not used ANY pictures of your own work? I find it hard to believe you've done all these things you've claimed in all these threads on not posted ONE actual picture.

[CindyLynn]

There is no excuse for your attack posts.
I am sorry but I am left with two alternatives.
I can leave. Or ignore posts from you.
http://www.facade.com/celebrity/photo/Samuel_L_Jackson.jpg

I am respected as a poster here and the quality ratio is .5:10 between yours &; my posts.
There is no excuse for your attack and while I respect you, I am forced to ignore posts from you from now on.

I can use all the pictures I want. Its not up to you what I post and what I do not. Unless your (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters) last name is Savage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Savage) or Hyneman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Hyneman)

[nooneimportant77]

Quality ratio?

ok, well how could it be .5:10 if from what I understand you were lying about things?

[CindyLynn]

Quiet Nooneimportant77. You obviously haven't read anything, if you think I lied.
No, no lies. He's going on a tyrant about me lying and I haven't lied about much of anything.

[Shinobi42]

Go To My Threads Green Screen And Special Effects For All You Cheap People And Indy Mogul Free Amatuer Project

[17thletterfilms]

Go To My Threads Green Screen And Special Effects For All You Cheap People And Indy Mogul Free Amatuer Project

That's called spam.

Although on one hand it made me laugh really hard considering all the tension here.

[DaiMoGui]

Uhmm. Lying is basicly a bad thing. So I don't do it. But if your not giving dangerous advice, your not hurting anyone, so.

Quiet Nooneimportant77. You obviously haven't read anything, if you think I lied.
No, no lies. He's going on a tyrant about me lying and I haven't lied about much of anything.

This a response to my Indy Mogul Wiki
I'll host it for free. I'll even throw in a domain name and 5 mysql databases.
PM me for information.

This is a PM I that I received after I sent her the PM she requested.

I do, understand that as a Wiki, you could easily see it getting a lot bigger quickly.

I must say, I "lied" about having a running MySql server, because I haven't run it since my webhosting service went down in like '04...

I'll get it running again though. If you want to host professionally, you want to use this host (http://ripside.com/) for sure. He's a friend of mine and I can say that his service is great. I use one of his servers for most of my work.

These are her own words. I did not edit them in any way.

The reason I hate forums are senseless flame wars about bullshit. But I feel differently about this.

You lied to me about something harmless, but *IF* you lied about something that could endanger another, then I know I don't want you here.

As for being a well respected member. I call bullshit on that also. You joined and then inflated yourself to senior by plastering the forum with post after post. Even to the point where you were going to post a new thread every day with a new tip.

I have the feeling that this won't be the first time your called out, and I doubt it will be the last.

So your left with two alternatives.
You can leave. Or ignore posts from the community.

Ball is in your court of deceit.

-DaiMoGui

[17thletterfilms]

I second that.

[Ladri.]

I second that.

I third that.

[CindyLynn]

This a response to my Indy Mogul Wiki


This is a PM I that I received after I sent her the PM she requested.


These are her own words. I did not edit them in any way.

The reason I hate forums are senseless flame wars about bullshit. But I feel differently about this.

You lied to me about something harmless, but *IF* you lied about something that could endanger another, then I know I don't want you here.

As for being a well respected member. I call bullshit on that also. You joined and then inflated yourself to senior by plastering the forum with post after post. Even to the point where you were going to post a new thread every day with a new tip.

I have the feeling that this won't be the first time your called out, and I doubt it will be the last.

So your left with two alternatives.
You can leave. Or ignore posts from the community.

Ball is in your court of deceit.

-DaiMoGui

Well. I see where this has gone. Its pretty stupid as I never even said I had a mysql server running, so when I messaged you, I made it clear that is not currently running but I could start it again.

You joined and then inflated yourself to senior by plastering the forum with post after post.What the f*ck does that mean. Its a forum. I have never posted spam and most of my "plaster" are (http://forum.indymogul.com/showthread.php?t=12313) quality (http://forum.indymogul.com/showthread.php?t=12308) posts. I don't see why everyones demanding I leave.


So your left with two alternatives.
You can leave. Or ignore posts from the community.Really, nobody had a problem with me until "TiE" chose to knitpick my posts.

[Ladri.]

What the f*uck does that mean. Most of them are quality posts. I don't see why everyones demanding I leave.


Just for your own knowledge, when you try to censor a word with an asterisk, you are supposed to replace a letter with the asterisk not just add one.

As for your "quality" posts. You practically spammed the tips sections with your redundant tip threads. Out of the first two pages of that section 1/4 of the threads have been yours. That's ridiculous.


Really, nobody had a problem with me until "TiE" chose to knitpick my posts.

That's because you were just stealing your work and posts. He nitpicked for good reason.

[CindyLynn]

Stealing my work and posts? And for f*cks sake I know how to censor something =P

But... stealing.... really....I used pictures of -- for instance -- a field to demonstrate size/type of the field I work with. And I copyed one section of text in one of my posts that I agreed with.

You practically spammed the tips sections with your redundant tip threads. Out of the first two pages of that section 1/4 of the threads have been yoursApart from the weird daily audio tips idea I had, all the tips I have posted have been rewarded with "good post" comments &: "nice idea" comments.

Example:
I adore you. I really do. I think you are one of the best things that has happened to the bards since I joined. Your tips have been useful and easy to understand. Keep it up!




Ball is in your court of deceit.


Thats just cheezey.

[Ladri.]

And I copyed one section of text in one of my posts that I agreed with.

But failed to give credit to the original poster which is stealing. ;)


Thats just cheezey.

But sooo true at the same time.

[CindyLynn]

But failed to give credit to the original poster which is stealing. ;)


It is, but its hardly a crime. He's work isent exactly a novel that he's copyrighted and while it was a bad thing, its not like I deserve to be hung until dead for it. I mean I feel like this is a five man brawl that's been brought to me &; I haven't done much wrong here.

[google550]

You claimed it was YOUR blasting field. It seems to me like you're full of shit.

"Contained in this thread will be many types of explosions used in hollywood. I will not go into deep detail as to how it is done, but I was informed that many people would be quiet interested in seeing these explosions up close."

This is a quote from one of your first posts. Why is it that we've never seen any of your videos, but you don't discuss your techniques?

You use an imaginary blasting range which you claimed is yours- now you're claiming it belongs to an airport. You don't know how to use green screen, and you claim you're a "camera operator," but can't pull focus on anything larger than an HV20.

For "Enemy at the Gates..." what is your grandfather's name?

You also talk about shooting orange BB's at green screens, and modeling bullets in sketch up, based on these orange BBs.

You must know something we all DON'T, because I, nor has anyone else, heard of this technique.


"Normally they want to arrest me for even having the weapon without an orange barrel."

Wait a sec... I thought you were in pyrotechnics... Wouldn't a REAL pyrotechnics "expert" know to get a license to shoot with a prop gun? I live in New York City, in a Post - 9/11 world, and I JUST shot a scene today with a deli holdup, guns without an orange tip, a license, and nothing happened.

If we're wrong about our assumptions, we'll all eat crow, but our evidence is perfectly reasonable and you've provided no proof that you are who you claim to be.

[17thletterfilms]

He's work isent exactly a novel that he's copyrighted and while it .

Actually, upon creation work is copyrighted.


And Google, did they hold the deli up for sandwiches? Sounds delicious! :D

[google550]

If it were ME robbing the deli...

I would demand a cold cut with honey-mustard dressing, lettuce, tomato, onion, in a baguette, with a 99 cent can of Arizona ice tea to drink.

But that's just me.

[CindyLynn]

I'm calm Cindy. I'm always calm. You seem to be the one a little hyper at the moment.
You mentioned people are attacking you. I just pointed out one
reason and a possible way to quell that problem.
I saw it as a mean hit on someone who had no part of
the current conversation going on and perhaps you could find
a kind place in your heart to fix that hit. No skin off me.

Yeah, really it did sound pretty 'bad' that I said that -- but I diden't mean it like that. =D All I was getting at was, "dont pick on me." =P

[google550]

"Oh. Poor fellow. I totally understand. I'll see what I can do to help you out. =)"

-CindyLynn on the topic of VaughnWhyNot's predicaments.


... vicious ... backstabbing ... hippocratic...

shifting the blame on someone else who might actually need help. That's cold.

[Ernest T. Bass]

I really don't want to dirty my hands in all this, but....

Cindy, you have many useful posts that are obviously helping a lot of people. That's good! Why the need to stretch the truth or lie? A lie is a lie, plain and simple. I hate lies, even tiny little ones that someone might drop to make themselves sound a little more "professional". Just don't do it! Stick to good, informative, completely honest posts and you won't ever have to deceive in order to gain respect!

Please take this as helpful, caring advice and not just senseless flaming.

[stefanocasadei]

I just don't see why you gotta come here and give us your bullshit posts and stretched truths. No, you haven't lied as far as I can tell, but you word your way around a situation as to avoid having to actually give us any real information or to mislead us into believing something that simply isn't true. It's just beginning to feel like some sort of self-gratitude/"e-peen" stroking thing.

[cubes]

I enjoy Indymogul and the community here. I came here because I wanted to gain filmmaking knowledge. I post questions because I don't know something, or give advice relevant to things I have experience with. Never exaggerated myself with lies, as do some on here. I don't know why you would want to do that, Cindylynn, and really don't care. Seems as though you only have two choices, come clean, and just be your self and try to regain some respect and be a positive member here, or continue to hide behind the crap and get ignored, then go waste some other forums space.

[CindyLynn]

"Oh. Poor fellow. I totally understand. I'll see what I can do to help you out. =)"

-CindyLynn on the topic of VaughnWhyNot's predicaments.


... vicious ... backstabbing ... hippocratic...

shifting the blame on someone else who might actually need help. That's cold.

Good lord stop attacking every word I say. I swere. If I said, "The sky is blue, the grass is green, clouds are white" you'd say, "RACIST YOU DIDENT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT BLACK THINGS"
Umm. I have helped Vaughn out, including hooking him up with information from a lawyer friend of mine for legal advice about disability payments from the government.
someone else who might actually need helpThis is it, right here. There was a flame war over there because someone commented on Vaughn lying about his story. While the clmes where unfounded, some people took them seriously. I dident say "go attack vaughn", I was saying, "Jeeze, I wish you wheren't just attacking me!"
I mentioned his name because "TiE_Shepard" was unleashing a vicious tyrant versus me, and nobody else -- for no reason.

I'll admit it. Honestly. I will. I try not to tell my life story to strangers on the internet. I don't lie, but yeah. I keep details to myself sometimes.

[uhrisuh]

This is it, right here. There was a flame war over there because someone commented on Vaughn lying about his story. While the clmes where unfounded, some people took them seriously. I dident say "go attack vaughn", I was saying, "Jeeze, I wish you wheren't just attacking me!"
I mentioned his name because "TiE_Shepard" was unleashing a vicious tyrant versus me, and nobody else -- for no reason.

I'll admit it. Honestly. I will. I try not to tell my life story to strangers on the internet. I don't lie, but yeah. I keep details to myself sometimes.

No one ever said Vaughn was lying. Some of us just wanted to know more about his situation. I wasn't sure if his thread has any basis on being there if he hadn't exhausted all of his efforts to get help on his own.

Stop trying to skirt around at what you've done. You have lied and stretched the truth quite a bit. Others have called you out on it and you still seem to think that you aren't in the wrong. If I were you I would just accept that I was caught making false allegations and stretching the truth. And then maybe we can all get back to the business at hand: Making the Indy Mogul film community helpful and creditable.

[google550]

You tell her, Urisuh.

[TiE_Shepherd]

Okay I just want to say sorry for this post, because it's going to be a long read, but since I started this I feel I need to get this off my chest...

Okay Cindylynn since you keep saying that I attacked you for no reason, I will explain.
The first ever post I saw from you was on the HV20 board, where you told a beginner film maker that live in NYC and was planning a trip to Kenya to shoot a run and gun documentary and you suggested that he should take a jib arm with him. Sorry but I don’t think that “jib arm” and “run and gun” belong in the same sentence. On top of this the guy even specifically mentions he wants stuff that would be easy to travel with overseas. Maybe it’s me, but I really don’t think a jib (even if it’s compact) is something I would even want to attempt to travel from NYC to Chicago with, let along NYC to Kenya.

You posted a link to this site somewhere else on the HV20 board. I had seen the IM you tube stuff, but didn’t know about the forum, so I decided to check it out.

Looking through the threads I see the post from punkandska66 about the 8mm film camera he got. Since I own a few super 8 and 16mm, the thread caught my eye...

http://forum.indymogul.com/showthread.php?t=12238

I then see the post where you tell him that the film doesn’t need to be developed and he can just take it to walmart and have them scan it for him. If you couldn’t leave well enough alone with giving him WRONG information, you then follow that up with some story about how you have a camera like that and shot footage for a movie with it, which after seeing what I've seen from you, must be par for the course.

So why do I give a sh*t? Well let’s say punkandska66 takes your horrible advice, spends around 100 bucks on 5 rolls of film. Goes out and spends an entire weekend with it and shoots a short film with the camera.

Since you told him he didn’t have to develop the film he goes right to walmart and requests them to scan the film. In the thread you also suggest he should have them scan it at .20 a picture.
Well let’s look at how that could all end up ruining his day. First film ABSOLUTELY HAS TO BE DEVELOPED!! After you shoot with it, you have to keep the film in darkness until the film is chemically processed or it will be ruined. I already explained walmart can’t just scan 8mm film frame by frame like that. Even if they did it would cost something like 650+ dollars to scan an entire roll like that.

Not to mention you mentioned nothing about telecine, which surprises me since you claim to have shoot footage for a film with a similar camera and is the cheaper and easier way to get 8mm footage digitized.

After I pointed this out to in that thread you actually had the nerve to say you were confused because all of a sudden thought he was taking about a still camera. Well that’s interesting since before you acted like you knew exactly what it was and claimed to have shoot film for a movie, but you thought the footage got cut. Not sure, but wasn’t aware they used stills as footage in movies now a days.

So yeah the reason I have a problem with you is the bad advise you’re giving people could really f*ck up someone’s day and I for one didn’t feel like letting you breeze by with it. ALL the pics you’ve posted are ALL pulled off of google. Either directly or indirectly you claimed a battlefield picture as your set. You stole a picture of vietnam and claimed it as your "blasting ground". You stole an entire rant word for word off of HV20.com and tried to pass it off as your own. My personal favorite when you attempted to cover up another lie and actually tried to convince us that an airport actually doubles as a shooting and BLASTING RANGE?? Are you on crack?

I call you out on it and others obviously agree with me, but you still keep it coming.
Last night you then posted here and HV20.com that you painted your HV20 black. Big shocker you had pics of a wide angle lens, plastic wrap, and a can of spray paint, but NO pictures of the actual camera before, during, or after. What’s the point of posting how to pictures without posting pictures of the actual project?? Oh maybe unless you don’t actually own the camera or didn’t actually spray paint it if you did.

Long story long, that’s why I chose to call you out. So next time you want to say I have no reason for attacking you just come back here and read this post.

[google550]

Word.

[CindyLynn]

I then see the post where you tell him that the film doesn’t need to be developed and he can just take it to walmart and have them scan it for him. If you couldn’t leave well enough alone with giving him WRONG information, you then follow that up with some story about how you have a camera like that and shot footage for a movie with it, which after seeing what I've seen from you, must be par for the course.

So why do I give a sh*t? Well let’s say punkandska66 takes your horrible advice, spends around 100 bucks on 5 rolls of film. Goes out and spends an entire weekend with it and shoots a short film with the camera.

Since you told him he didn’t have to develop the film he goes right to walmart and requests them to scan the film. In the thread you also suggest he should have them scan it at .20 a picture.
Well let’s look at how that could all end up ruining his day. First film ABSOLUTELY HAS TO BE DEVELOPED!! After you shoot with it, you have to keep the film in darkness until the film is chemically processed or it will be ruined. I already explained walmart can’t just scan 8mm film frame by frame like that. Even if they did it would cost something like 650+ dollars to scan an entire roll like that.
You know what? That's a f*cking good point. No. Really. I totally agree. I was an idiot and thought he was taking still picture (for a second). I was really stupid there, and I apologise for that. And really TiE_Shepherd, (http://forum.indymogul.com/member.php?u=29318) I respect you. I see you did not jut 'attack' me. I made some pretty stupid posts. You're just looking out for other people, and that is a very good thing.
Well that’s interesting since before you acted like you knew exactly what it was and claimed to have shoot film for a movieI really thought he was using a still camera... I did not claim to shoot a whole movie with a 8mm film camera, I used still pictures from a camera like that in a movie...
That is why I sent him to Wal*Mart.
I was pretty stupid. Really. And I see what you mean. Again, I apologise full heartedly.
Not sure, but wasn’t aware they used stills as footage in movies now a days....but you thought the footage got cut.Exactly. We where thinking about using some stills for battle clips to set the mood. One of our characters is a War Photographer.
We want to show what he sees. But we cut it, because its somewhat silly. The reason to watch a war flim is to see war film, not pictures. But still, I was an idiot for suggesting Wal*Mart could do it. I thought it was a still picture camera because I was stupid and did not read.
My personal favorite when you attempted to cover up another lie and actually tried to convince us that an airport actually doubles as a shooting and BLASTING RANGE?? Are you on crack?It does. I sh*t you not. This is one thing I have to push. Its truth!
Clearification:
The shooting range is on the same land as the airport. As I respect and understand you, I will give you the option of looking up:


40 Airport Road,
Turner, Maine 04282
USA

On google earth.
The airport is only for seaplanes &; small 2-4 seat plans. Privately owned.

Once again, I apologise to Tie Shepard, the user with the 8mm film camera and the community for my stupidity in suggesting this.

Oh maybe unless you don’t actually own the camera or didn’t actually spray paint it if you did.
Again, I respect you. I understand you are worried. I'll gladly take some pictures of the camera for you =)

[Ladri.]

It does. I shit you not. Well the blasting range is quiet close to the airport. The airport is only for seaplanes &; small 2-4 seat plans. Privately owned.
.

Way to contradict yourself after only one sentence.

Get your story straight, for fucks sake, before you try to cover up your lies again.

[stefanocasadei]

So you ARE a liar.

[CindyLynn]

Thanks for accepting my apology.




<.<


Way to contradict yourself after only one sentence.

Get your story straight, for fucks sake, before you try to cover up your lies again.

Again, extracting my every word to try to find a minor contradiction. Instead of scraping the barrel as an excuse to continue this useless flame war, look closer.
It does not "double" as a shooting range. That is what I'm saying.
I'm making it clear that the range and the airport are on the same land, but its not "doubling" as a shooting range, there just the same company.

Blasting is a poor term, shooting is better. Bombs can go off there but not really high explosives.

[TiE_Shepherd]

Blasting is a poor term, shooting is better. Bombs can go off there but not really high explosives.

Okay since you are a pyrotechnics expert, maybe you could explain to me the difference between a "bomb" and "high explosives"?

Face it you're appology means nothing when you're still not fully coming clean about anything. Just to refresh your memory, here's your original post about it...

I was licensed to fire automatic weapons by Twitchles Fireing & Blasting Rage, when I was 19. I was trained by Ret. Sgt. John Benniot in the use of high explosives, again at Twitchles Fireing & Blasting Rage. Twitchles is licensed by the government of the USA to train and license its trainees in explosive use and demolition.

All explosions will be done at Twitchles blasting range.
Do not attempt anything you see in the videos, unless you have been trained and licensed.

But wait I thought they didn't allow the use of "high explosives"?

Please do us all a favor. When you try to cover up previous lies, please take the time to at least reread the lies you're coving up because right now you're just digging yourself in deeper.

[CindyLynn]

Please do us all a favor. When you try to cover up previous lies, please take the time to at least reread the lies you're coving up because right now you're just digging yourself in deeper.I'm sorry I have to keep arguing. Really. But I have to set this right. For f*cks sake. Its fairly easy, if you just think, to come up what I'm saying. I mean its like no matter what the f*ck I say you wont accept it. You have to be right and I have to be a lying poor excuse for a human being. I'm trying to be nice. I'm trying to respect you but you just keep scraping the barrel and coming back... I even apologised to you and that wasn't enough! I have not "come clean?" I just admited I was an idiot for suggesting he take his film to wal mart! I was/am really sorry about that, too. It was a stupid responce.
Oh. Explanation about the "no high explosives."
I was trained in them. I don't fire them there. I've only fired High Explosives once.
This is because you don't need to use high exsplosives in film. Ever.

Simple Explanation of "Bomb" and High Explosives:
Bomb: Big cinema-style fireball. Eye candy.
It's mainly Petrol/Gas (same thing) and a Thickening agent. Then an automatic lighting switch.

High Explosives: What you use to knock down a brick wall.
Comp. B, TNT, or even black powder.

[TiE_Shepherd]

I'm sorry I have to keep arguing. Really. But I have to set this right. For f*cks sake. Its fairly easy, if you just think, to come up what I'm saying. I mean its like no matter what the f*ck I say you wont accept it.

You don't have to say ANYTHING, how about showing us an actual picture of something YOU'VE done? No taking images from Google, no BS talking in circles and contradicting yourself. Put your money where your mouth is and SHOW US that you know what the hell you're talking about. You promised pictures and footage in a dozen threads and so far nothing.

[Ladri.]

You promised pictures and footage in a dozen threads and so far nothing.

Word.

[CindyLynn]

I haven't really promised pictures &; footage in "a dozen threads" anyway.
Really though. This is the internet. You dont know me. My name. My phone number. Or even where I live! You said it yourself. I could say anything I want.
I really dont care anymore anyway. This is the internet. I dont really need to post on these boards or the HV20 boards or any other boards that dislike me.
Its not really a big deal. This is the internet we're talking about.

I'm sure you can come up with another thousand things to say and buff up your ego. But this is the internet. You've not really done or proven much. Besides the fact that I don't have a picture of my shooting range so I pulled a random one off the internet that looks just like it. It was designed to show people what size you need. I felt it better just to throw it on there. But I really dont care. When I say, "its the internet" I mean just that. You flaunt your "power" and drive the whole community to rant about me when before most every post I made was reguarded as quality.

But shh. Its fine. You wanted to show off your e-p*nis and you did.

Bye, Mr. Snopes.





-- And now you're going to be all proud of yourself. Arn't you? I can see you now...
"LOOK! LOOK!! EVERYONE! WHEN ASKED FOR FOOTAGE SHE LEAVES!!!!!"
Whatever. Screw it. This isen't my idenity, its not like you're wrecking my good name. This is the internet.

[google550]

Well, I'm not going to jump up and down in celebration, but I, as well as many other people, are glad to see you go. It's a pretty grim statement about you if we have to go this far to get you to leave.

As for us "displaying power," you're right. This is the internet. I can go insult whoever I want and get away with it, if they're bigger than I am, smaller than I am, smarter than I am, or dumber than I am.

But I don't. Because I have a general respect for good, honest people.


This is my last stand.

Bye!

[Flamekebab]

How many times do you need to say "this is the Internet" ?

So what?
It doesn't mean your actions are without consequence.
It doesn't mean it's acceptable to lie and deceive.

Personally I want to see you gone because I hate when people lie. You say many things and very few of them seem to be true. You seem incapable of providing even photos of what you're talking about, despite creating the scenario demanding them yourself. It's not as if someone else creates the topic and then demands you post photos - you are the one creating them.

You claim to be an expert in many fields and provide advice on many topics. Given the lack of reliability on things that are very easy to prove, I would be very reluctant to accept your advice without at least one independent party vouching for it, which makes it fairly useless.

It doesn't make me feel like a big man to see you gone. It makes me happier that I won't have to wade through lots of dubious claims and shady recommendations.

I've been relatively nice to you, I could have taken every opportunity to call you out, but I cut you some slack. Clearly this was foolish.

[Sminc]

...
Personally I want to see you gone because I hate when people lie...


I want to see video/pictures of your work, Cindy.

Please.

Sminc

[google550]

How many times do you need to say "this is the Internet" ?

So what?
It doesn't mean your actions are without consequence.
It doesn't mean it's acceptable to lie and deceive.


Exactly. I can call anyone names and get away with it, but it's out of politeness that I don't.

If you can't muster up just a little respect to stop yourself from lying to this entire community, you're a disgrace, a disgusting human being, and honestly pathetic.

What do you get out of lying? A few moments of pride? At whose expense? If this matters so little to you- then I don't see WHY you're still here.