Cannibal Holocaust is messed up

[ArmedSaint]

this weekend we went to a local store looking for a good horror movie we saw cannibal holocaust it said it was banned in a few countries so i was this sounds like a badass movie i watched it... it started out alright but what really bothered me was that this director Ruggero Deodato allowed animals to be killed in the movie real animals thats just messed up i dont get how that movie is even legal to sell what even bothers me more is that he is still making movies i think that needs a big punch in the face they killed a turtle a monkey a muskrat and a pig what bothers me more is that hes making another movie called cannibals in 2009 its in production i dont he should deserve the right to pick up a camera again

[jpeenut]

That is true, it should have have the animal killings cut out, but remember that it is not an American movie, it is Italian and I dont know if killing animals in film back in 1980 was legal. But besides the animal killings it was an awesome movie

[ArmedSaint]

yeah other then that it wasnt bad just it was never needed the killing at any given point

[ArmedSaint]

i dont think i am going to watch it again tho

[glmclainmovies]

ahhh quit your bitchin. It was an exploitation film, made to make people squirm. Whatever "Moral" laws apply to Animal rights today have no relevance back then. Stop beating a dead horse and get over it. Apocalypse Now did it and your not complaining! Besides I find a woman's uterus being destroyed by a stone phallus more disturbing than an animal dying.

[ArmedSaint]

i dont think that part was real

[glmclainmovies]

It wasn't...

[Brainstrained]

Dude seriously? People exploiting animals for film?


NO WAY!



This kind of shit is far more common than you know.

EDIT: That doesn't make it right. I'm just surprised at your surprise.

[Brainstrained]

ahhh quit your bitchin. It was an exploitation film, made to make people squirm. Whatever "Moral" laws apply to Animal rights today have no relevance back then. Stop beating a dead horse and get over it. Apocalypse Now did it and your not complaining! Besides I find a woman's uterus being destroyed by a stone phallus more disturbing than an animal dying.

Go back to 4chan.

[klick123]

If it says that no animals were harmed in the credits could it be that they weren't harmed but possibly treated in an undesirable manner?

And as far as banned movies go, I havn't seen a lot of those in my area. Maybe I'm not looking in the right places. The local Hollywood Video has Freakshow, says on the cover it was banned in a bunch of countries. Maybe I should try Netflix.

[uzi1951]

I bought it, won't watch it again. And I have bow hunted deer and gutted them. So I am not some Nancy when it comes to that. Something I ate. Not just to film some trash.

[glmclainmovies]

Go back to 4chan.

I was merely stating my opinion, which did not in any way relate to 4chan. My liking the website has nothing to do with Indy Mogul nor should my opinions be tossed aside because of that. Just my 00.02

[Brainstrained]

naw.

[_ray_biddle_]

this weekend we went to a local store looking for a good horror movie we saw cannibal holocaust it said it was banned in a few countries so i was this sounds like a badass movie i watched it... it started out alright but what really bothered me was that this director Ruggero Deodato allowed animals to be killed in the movie real animals thats just messed up i dont get how that movie is even legal to sell what even bothers me more is that he is still making movies i think that needs a big punch in the face they killed a turtle a monkey a muskrat and a pig what bothers me more is that hes making another movie called cannibals in 2009 its in production i dont he should deserve the right to pick up a camera again

The animal killing are stock footage. Also this film is 30 years old animal rights laws were different back then. The animals weren't killed as part of the shoot.

You can't always believe the hype.

[bridboyross]

actually the pig killing was done on set, the actor actually clearly shoots it in the head. The thing is yes it is a horrific, explicit, even deplorable exploitation film, but it is also an 80s italian independant film, accept it. It says clearly on the box that it is BANNED, dont complain that it is a nasty, horrible, gory film when you bought it BECAUSE it has been banned for the reasons you hated it.

[_ray_biddle_]

actually the pig killing was done on set, the actor actually clearly shoots it in the head. The thing is yes it is a horrific, explicit, even deplorable exploitation film, but it is also an 80s italian independant film, accept it. It says clearly on the box that it is BANNED, dont complain that it is a nasty, horrible, gory film when you bought it BECAUSE it has been banned for the reasons you hated it.

The tribe also ate everything. I liked how in one country(I forgot which one) the film supposedly is still being held as evidence and the case against it gets renewed every year.

The film has brutal moments but it's just okay.

The Faces of Death Series (1 & 2) were just as brutal.

If you see banned on the cover, this may or not be true.

Wasn't Last House on the Left banned in 47 different countries with scenes so horrific the management of this theater WILL not allow anyone under 17 years of age to view this movie.

I Spit On Your Grave had something similar too.


That's been a sales technique for many years.

[_ray_biddle_]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_films

Here's a list of banned film in the world.

[ArmedSaint]

nah they cut the head off the turtle and cut it open theres no way treated in just an undesirable manner and still alive... i found mine at this store called toliet water hah

[ArmedSaint]

If it says that no animals were harmed in the credits could it be that they weren't harmed but possibly treated in an undesirable manner?

And as far as banned movies go, I havn't seen a lot of those in my area. Maybe I'm not looking in the right places. The local Hollywood Video has Freakshow, says on the cover it was banned in a bunch of countries. Maybe I should try Netflix.

nah they cut the head off the turtle and cut it open theres no way treated in just an undesirable manner and are still alive... i found mine at this store called toliet water hah

[_ray_biddle_]

One thing a lot who have posted forget:

You decide whether to watch this or not. If you do, it's just a film. There's far worse out there.

As a filmmaker you all should hope films like this one are allowed to stay available to the public. Because if a film can be banned for animal cruelty (which is a horrible thing, don't get me wrong) then they'll ban gore, sex and anything that goes against our government.

OMG! My dog just farted and it stinks so bad i can't finish, I'll be back in a bit

[WesScog]

Whats the big deal? It's just animals.

I mean its disgusting to us, in our culture, but really, that's how people eat, they smash and kill smaller, weaker, and dumber animals.

Not saying it's pleasant to my aesthetic sensibilities, but it's the real world.

[Brainstrained]

Would you take a life in the name of entertainment?

[ThreeOnAMeathook]

Cannibal Holocaust was lame. I have it and all, but only because my copy is oop and numbered and I'm a sucker for that kinda shit.

I didn't mind the animal killings because that's not really what the movie's about. I just found it kinda boring. Cannibal Ferox was much better.

I did, however, enjoy the soundtrack of CH.

[JackLawrence]

THEY

[daydreamer1]

I only got to see a few minutes of hte movie,beause my little sister was in my room at the time (seeing a rodent getting slived open might have scarred her.)And it honestly didn't look too bad.

Faces of Death I think was really lame.Nothing bothered me,except the autopsy scenes.Those freaked me out a bit.Everything else didn't bother me that much.I thought it was pretty boring (I only seen the first one,and others are telling me to see 2 and 4)

[_ray_biddle_]

Would you take a life in the name of entertainment?

You could have stopped at would you take a life.

If I had to, but that goes well beyond film making. I've killed mice before not for joy but because they're nasty. I've killed a snake before because I didn't want to be bitten by it.

Would I kill something just to shoot it with my camera, no.

Most of us have killed bugs before just because they bother us. I guess it depends on which line you're comfortable with crossing.

[_ray_biddle_]

I only got to see a few minutes of hte movie,beause my little sister was in my room at the time (seeing a rodent getting slived open might have scarred her.)And it honestly didn't look too bad.

Faces of Death I think was really lame.Nothing bothered me,except the autopsy scenes.Those freaked me out a bit.Everything else didn't bother me that much.I thought it was pretty boring (I only seen the first one,and others are telling me to see 2 and 4)

None of these deaths in the films we're talking about here bother me. I've seen to many real life deaths (where I've seen the person take their last breath) in my time on this planet. Those were far more brutal then anything I have ever seen on film.

Film/ Video can not capture that moment as seeing it with your eyes. That's probably why there's only been a couple of films that have ever really bothered me.

The last one was Inside.

[Jier]

First the animals that were killed were eaten promptly, and would of been killed to be eaten in the first place. Why is it a waste then that they're butchering was filmed? This is no different than documentaries where cameras film actual slaughter-houses. Also, are you a vegiterian? That meat came from somewhere, buddy.

Secondly, you're upset that this movie slaughtered animals that were going to be eaten anyway? Well, what if I pointed out that in one of the great Zombie Classics they didn't use fake corpses for the scenes where zombies had been blown up. They used real bodies, real human bodies gathered from body farms in Jamaica because they could get Five-Eight of those for the cost of one latex zombie. They desecrated the dead. People whose bodies had been donated for science, instead they get blowed up for a b-movie. To me that is a bigger waste and far more disrespectful, then filming natives slaughter animals that they were going to eat anyway.

Also, welcome to Grindhouse. This is the real deal, not some multimillion dollar feature by two indy directors. It's disturbing, disgusting material that got X-ratings for the sheer awful nature of the work. Poor dialogue, improper tit flashing and it's vile. If you're having a good time at a Grindhouse movie you got something wrong with you, because they're intended to be something for those with morbid curiousity to watch. Hence why Cannibal Appocalypse says: All the murders are real. In other words, the people being murdered. But, it was faked. Obviously.

[SmiJa]

I'm going to have to agree with Wes on this one. Other cultures have different acceptance of what is allowed. In some countries Monkey Brains is a delicacies. There is one called Balut. Balut is a fertilized duck egg with a nearly-developed embryo inside. Here is a link to some delicacies: http://mywiki.ws/Top_10_Weirdest_Delicacies

As far as the movie goes, it's a movie. So what if they killed some animals for the movie.

Link to the movies wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibal_Holocaust

I'm kind of confused that you are mad about just the animal killings and not the rape scenes. They were depicted as real, but I guess since animals are so much more important.

Now I'm totally against censorship. It's a movie, it's still considered art.

[bckrick]

Secondly, you're upset that this movie slaughtered animals that were going to be eaten anyway? Well, what if I pointed out that in one of the great Zombie Classics they didn't use fake corpses for the scenes where zombies had been blown up. They used real bodies, real human bodies gathered from body farms in Jamaica because they could get Five-Eight of those for the cost of one latex zombie. They desecrated the dead. People whose bodies had been donated for science, instead they get blowed up for a b-movie. To me that is a bigger waste and far more disrespectful, then filming natives slaughter animals that they were going to eat anyway.

What? I'm going to need some sort of link, or at least a title. That sounds totally made up.

[Brainstrained]

You could have stopped at would you take a life.

If I had to, but that goes well beyond film making. I've killed mice before not for joy but because they're nasty. I've killed a snake before because I didn't want to be bitten by it.

Would I kill something just to shoot it with my camera, no.

Most of us have killed bugs before just because they bother us. I guess it depends on which line you're comfortable with crossing.

I could have stopped at would you take a life, but then I wouldn't be asking a question that I cared about hearing an answer to. There is a difference between killing mice and cockroaches and killing mice and cockroaches for entertainment.

[ionfilms]

I don't see the problem. It was made in different times and with different rules. People make to big a deal of things like this. If it bothers them, ok fine but it's not the worlds problem. And with them killing animals, there going to die anyways. I am saying that as justification for killing, but those animals (especially the pig) are eaten around the world. Are you going to stop eating meat because the animal died? And I don't see them killing the animals for entertainment, I think it was added because they wanted to cause a sensation. They wanted the disgusted people fighting to ban the movie. It becomes a ledgend when it reaches that point.

[Brainstrained]

Yeah, you're right. Since I'm going to die anyways I may as well go kill myself.


Don't worry though. I'll stream it.

[ionfilms]

I don't mean that. My point is that it was a persons choice to kill those animals (which wasn't breaking any laws) and make a horrifying movie. theirs no point in arguing, it's over. We can't bring the animals back.

[Brainstrained]

All the people who died in the holocaust were gonna die at some point too, right?

But that's over.

No point crying over spilled milk.

Let's forget about it and move on.

Who wants a burrito?

[WesScog]

Would you take a life in the name of entertainment?

Just by existing I take lives constantly. Just breathing, right now, I am killing hundreds or even thousands of airborne bacteria and spores with each breath I take.

To make a film I have fed my crew before, turkeys were murdered so I could make my film. So indirectly, yes I have taken lives and allowed lives to be taken in the name of filmmaking.

The point is that in Cannibal Holocaust, the point was to disgust and horrify, not "entertain", (at least not directly).

And what i'm saying is that there is a difference between a human death and an animal death, and their value.

I find it interesting that most people here wouldn't think twice about feeding their crew some Burgers, but HOLY SHIT! Show the cow actually dying or being butchered and you're a psychopath.

[WesScog]

All the people who died in the holocaust were gonna die at some point too, right?

But that's over.

No point crying over spilled milk.

Let's forget about it and move on.

Who wants a burrito?

You can't even compare the two.

A pig that was going to be butchered and die anyway, it's death now has some meaning past simple sustenance, it's now part of a work of art.

I mean is Cannibal Holocaust a GREAT work of art? No, I wouldn't consider it so, but it's still a work of art regardless.

Eisenstein filmed a bull having it's throat slit, and intercut it into images of workers being oppressed to make a political statement in "Strike".

Murder of a lower life form can serve a purpose beyond simple consumption, and portrayal of it's death can be more than simple "entertainment" and have value past the emotional shock you get from it.

I'm not saying I would do it, or that I would include something like that in a film of mine, but i'm just saying that it's an animal, it's not a person, it's something humans eat for food.

[ThreeOnAMeathook]

Faces of Death I think was really lame.Nothing bothered me,except the autopsy scenes.Those freaked me out a bit.Everything else didn't bother me that much.I thought it was pretty boring (I only seen the first one,and others are telling me to see 2 and 4)

Everything in Faces of Death is faked. Traces of Death has some real stuff I think.

[happyhands man]

not trying to be insensitive but why is a pig and turtle dying so bad?
i might just not care because my family raises goats for the slaughter house, but it just seems dumb to care so much about a pig and turtle dying

[_ray_biddle_]

I could have stopped at would you take a life, but then I wouldn't be asking a question that I cared about hearing an answer to. There is a difference between killing mice and cockroaches and killing mice and cockroaches for entertainment.

I agree.

[Ladri.]

Wow. So much bitchin about killing animals in this thread.

Cannibal Holocaust didn't bother me at all. I have to agree with wes on this one. They are just animals that would be slaughtered anyway. Killing Animals ≠ Killing people

[uzi1951]

All the people who died in the holocaust were gonna die at some point too, right?

But that's over.

No point crying over spilled milk.

Let's forget about it and move on.

Who wants a burrito?

Brother, I agree with you. Not the point of killing animals, but for entertainment sake.

[Black Dawn Productions]

Cannibal Holocaust is legendary though. It was an extraordinary landmark in horror movies and the orgin of slaughter/torture films. (ex:Hostel, Saw, Wolf Creek)

The director went as far as to pay the actors to disappear for a few years after the film so the film would be more real.

Plus the director made an ingenious way to make the illusion that a pole is going in through the bottom of a person and out their mouth.

[SmiJa]

Everything in Faces of Death is faked. Traces of Death has some real stuff I think.

Actually only 40% of Faces of death is fake. Although Traces of Death is mostly real.

Faces:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faces_of_death

Traces:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traces_of_Death

[happyhands man]

Actually only 40% of Faces of death is fake. Although Traces of Death is mostly real.

Faces:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faces_of_death

Traces:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traces_of_Death
because wikipedia is the most accurate thing on the internet

[SmiJa]

because wikipedia is the most accurate thing on the internet

It's about the same from what I had heard when I was younger and looking for them.


also, if anyone want's t see Faces of Death, I found it on Google Video. I will provide the link if asked.

EDIT:I'll send it in a PM

[happyhands man]

kay i want it

[ArmedSaint]

All the people who died in the holocaust were gonna die at some point too, right?

But that's over.

No point crying over spilled milk.

Let's forget about it and move on.

Who wants a burrito?
lmao

[drweir]

Netflix has a new instant movie that was the very first movie that ever made me stop watching it due to violent content. I've sat through Banned From Television, all of the Faces of Death movies, Faces of Gore 1-3, Executions, and countless other "real death" movies. But this one was even too much for my desensitized brain. It's called "Snuff: A Documentary". The full title is a little bit longer and I can't recall exactly the entire title but that's the gist of it. I had to turn it off with ten minutes left to go. Harsh stuff, and it does feature scenes from Cannibal Holocaust.

As for Cannibal Holocaust, I love it. It's a damn classic and the 2 disc DVD holds a special spot in my DVD collection.

[SmiJa]

Netflix has a new instant movie that was the very first movie that ever made me stop watching it due to violent content. I've sat through Banned From Television, all of the Faces of Death movies, Faces of Gore 1-3, Executions, and countless other "real death" movies. But this one was even too much for my desensitized brain. It's called "Snuff: A Documentary". The full title is a little bit longer and I can't recall exactly the entire title but that's the gist of it. I had to turn it off with ten minutes left to go. Harsh stuff, and it does feature scenes from Cannibal Holocaust.

As for Cannibal Holocaust, I love it. It's a damn classic and the 2 disc DVD holds a special spot in my DVD collection.

The documentary you mentioned is called“Snuff: a documentary about killing on camera” There are reports that say there is no such thing as a snuff film, Although I personally think there are. Humans are just to disturbed to not have them.

[SmiJa]

I just thought I might add that I am currently watching Faces of Death. Yes I know it's a documentary, but it's kind of boring. Am I alone on this?

[neckstab]

It would be interesting to film a cow, pig and a chicken being shot in the head point blank with a shotgun, live on "FOX" (naturally) during kids cartoons.
They could call it "How BEEF, PORK and POULTRY are made!" or maybe "Farming With Lead"...

The duality of our nature is comical. People hunt and fish for sport and some don't eat the meat. They just KILL.

Historically and currently, the ARMY, NAVY, MARINES, AIR-FORCE, COAST-GUARD, POLICE, SHERIFF'S, WARDEN'S, RELIGIONS and PRESIDENT'S authorize and kill HUMAN BEINGS. But that's ok. No posts about that.
Just the poor animals from Ruggero Deodato's Cannibal Holocaust from almost 30 years ago....
Anybody want a double cheeseburger? I'd rather have a fillet of cow! No disrespect to all who are veg. At least I'm not in denial about my blood thirst.

[BackyardProductions]

Historically and currently, the ARMY, NAVY, MARINES, AIR-FORCE, COAST-GUARD, POLICE, SHERIFF'S, WARDEN'S, RELIGIONS and PRESIDENT'S authorize and kill HUMAN BEINGS. But that's ok. No posts about that.
Just the poor animals from Ruggero Deodato's Cannibal Holocaust from almost 30 years ago....

You have a good point.

This is random but it kinda goes along with what neckstab said, but in 9th grade history we were learning about the holocaust and how millions of jewish people died and people would think it was said and what not, but as soon as my teacher said about how when the concentration camps were liberated and they found dead dogs withtheir throats slit everyone in the class was like "awwwwww why would they do that." It was quite stupid.

Sorry about that. That was random.

[Scott]

ahhh quit your bitchin. It was an exploitation film, made to make people squirm. Whatever "Moral" laws apply to Animal rights today have no relevance back then. Stop beating a dead horse and get over it. Apocalypse Now did it and your not complaining! Besides I find a woman's uterus being destroyed by a stone phallus more disturbing than an animal dying.

[neckstab]

"Apocalypse Now did it and your not complaining!"
glmclainmovies - but that poor machete caribou sacrifice, awwwwww - I kid, I kid.

I bet the BBQ was amazing w/ some of that Coppala vino.... Yum.
I love the smell of Napalm roasting a caribou kabob in the morning....That smell, That gasoline smell....
As long as the poor caribou got a death card it's cool.

[WesScog]

You have a good point.

This is random but it kinda goes along with what neckstab said, but in 9th grade history we were learning about the holocaust and how millions of jewish people died and people would think it was said and what not, but as soon as my teacher said about how when the concentration camps were liberated and they found dead dogs withtheir throats slit everyone in the class was like "awwwwww why would they do that." It was quite stupid.

Sorry about that. That was random.

Had similar things happen in my class. People were sad but they acted like they could tolerate it.

But as soon as someone mentions dead animals, they flip out.

[NuclearRamen]

It would be interesting to film a cow, pig and a chicken being shot in the head point blank with a shotgun, live on "FOX" (naturally) during kids cartoons.
They could call it "How BEEF, PORK and POULTRY are made!" or maybe "Farming With Lead"...

Actually now that you mention it, there was a show on Fox or whatever called Kid's Colony or something...I forgot, it was last year. Anyway, they straight up were killing chickens for their food and showed it. So. It's already been done. Lol.



And yeah, it kind of sucks watching the little animals die, but it's a fact of life. You didn't HAVE to watch it. I didn't like seeing it but hell. Still added to the "oh shit" factor for me.


BTW Faces of Death is corny but I CANT WATCH IT!!! It gets me too sad. It's such a downer.

[Wra1th13]

Actually now that you mention it, there was a show on Fox or whatever called Kid's Colony or something...I forgot, it was last year. Anyway, they straight up were killing chickens for their food and showed it. So. It's already been done. Lol.




That was on CBS. It was called Kid Nation.

[NuclearRamen]

That was on CBS. It was called Kid Nation.
Yeah! That shit was crazy. Not only that, but the kids were killing the "ugly" chickens and keeping the "pretty" ones alive.

I think thats really interesting. How humanity works out like that...hummm.

[wirehorse]

About Cannibal Holocaust, watched it and due to my countries restrictions all of the animal deaths were cut, which in my opinion didn't really diminish the horror of the film.
It's pretty grim even if all you see is all the rape and murder!
Seeing as the Film is about filmmakers exploiting "The Natives", whilst the makers of the film do the same in regards to certain animals it's probably quite ironic.
Still not sure why I can see a squid being eaten alive in Oldboy and a chicken being killed in Hidden in this country, perhaps they're just better films and the censors know it.

[Ladri.]

About Cannibal Holocaust, watched it and due to my countries restrictions all of the animal deaths were cut, which in my opinion didn't really diminish the horror of the film.


Woah, where do you live?

[WesScog]

Most likely UK, the Censor board is notoriously fickle about "Video Nasties".

[wirehorse]

Well done! I do indeed live in the UK.
This could be the beginning of some sort of geographical guessing game based on cuts to notoriously violent films!

[ciwi286]

That happened when I went to china...imagine watching hostel with no gore.

The Irish censors just have a problem with sexual films. Almost all the other films banned have been lifted.

[lyhoproductions]

Cannibal Holocaust sounds like a movie I will never, ever, EVER see.

[punkandska66]

That happened when I went to china...imagine watching hostel with no gore.

The Irish censors just have a problem with sexual films. Almost all the other films banned have been lifted.

I guess we can get away with anything here :P

[Scott]

That happened when I went to china...imagine watching hostel with no gore.

The Irish censors just have a problem with sexual films. Almost all the other films banned have been lifted.

It's because the Irish already reproduce like rabbits anyways. They don't need any extra stimulation.


:D

[NuclearRamen]

It's because the Irish already reproduce like rabbits anyways. They don't need any extra stimulation.


:D
Mexicans breed like rabbits on fertility drugs.

Have you seen telenovelas? It's like I'm watching softcore porn with people bitch slapping each other.


Back on CH, I say everybody should watch it.

I have no idea what it would be like to live in a country where gore is banned...that's interesting. What about gory videogames? Do you guys have Manhunt and stuff?

[Poppyl90]

damn i should see it.

[theSarge00]

The animal killing are stock footage. Also this film is 30 years old animal rights laws were different back then. The animals weren't killed as part of the shoot.

You can't always believe the hype.

I did an episode of "CSI" where a juror is stung by a bee, and it is suspected that anaphalactic shock was the cause. For the close up, they had to get vintage scientific stock footage of a macro shot of a bee stinging someone (bee's die when they use their stings) - both to circumvent any animal cruelty claims (yes, bees are animals, as opposed to vegetables or minerals) and because, well, who wants to get stung by a bee? It was interesting to see WHY they die - a big chunk of guts gets pulled out attached to the stinger. My lovely task was extracting the bee and sting materials because the volunteer must have been a yeti, and the shot was supposed to be on the smooth skin of the juror's neck. Managed to combine high contrast (to generate a luma mask for fine details) and roto to generate an alpha.

Anyway, that's how they got around the animal cruelty thing.

Banning of films is fairly rare here due to the rating system - which is WHY we have the rating system. Hollywood didn't want a government oversight committee so they instituted their own system of approval for distribution.

[SmiJa]

damn i should see it.

Here you go a link to the movie on google video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8139367795876917425&ei=SAWqSsPjApu4qAPt7tCyAw&q=cannibal+holocaust&hl=en&client=firefox-a#

It's such a great movie, I have a special 2-disc edition. It was aorund $28 on sale at f.y.e.