Age Make-up

[The-Don-]

IM did a episode of how to make someone look older so why not do one to make someone look younger? Also I have an actor who has horrible dark beard shadow how can we cover it up so it does not look cakey or covered?

[uhrisuh]

wait ... why can't this person shave? but ... i think the easiest way to make someone look younger is to brighten up their face .. give them rosie cheeks .. and their clothes need to fit the part ..

[edwardlavender]

arissa why don't you just calm down with that smart talk, the man was asking a question about making someone age younger and you're posting nonsense.

definitely shave the guy tho...and use SOME make up...some foundation, but not a lot, should cover up the shadow on his face.

-zac

[uhrisuh]

haha... zip it cocky

[WesScog]

A wire face lift can help. Give them a wig (no grey hairs, and you can easily do it in whatever trendy style) and run some fishing wire underneath it, and apply it to the top of their head with spirit gum, and pull it back tightly, it'll smooth out their head like Botox.

Otherwise, go over their face with make-up, light them very well, you can get some make-up latex, and smooth it over their wrinkles, and then put the make-up over that if the Wrinkles are REALLY bad.

But really, it's mostly in the acting, watch Twiggers Holiday by Rob Schrab. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC8WGTNfJtw

It's a bunch of 30-40 year old's pretending to be 10 years old, and they do a pretty good job, it's mostly in their language, the costuming, and their acting, no real "make-up" to cover up their age, but a lot of really funny costumes.

[uhrisuh]

Wes i refuse to believe you are a real person .. you are some kind of robot man with all of the internet in your head ...

[The-Don-]

The actor is 23 and does not have any wrinkles on his face only minute laugh lines around the mouth but they are not noticeable. The problem is after he shaves with a razor you can still see dark dots all over his upper lip, cheeks, chin etc.

The actor needs to wear the makeup so that it won't rub off in a pool. By that I mean we are filming a video underwater with cameras. Goggles and Snorkels.

I doubt liquid foundation would work. Would a thin latex layer mask like in the zombie episode of BFX work?

[WesScog]

VERY thin layer of latex maybe, I suggest testing it out, really depends how close you're going to film him.

If he is a masochist, you could wax it, really depends how serious the project is i'd imagine.

[edwardlavender]

waterproof foundation has been invented, sir.

[uhrisuh]

you might want to try bleaching the hair on his face with a facial hair bleaching kit .. i don't think they cost much or covering his face completely in a couple layers of latex .. ... also .. i think buying a bottle of ben nye make -up sealer might help with the water problem. I've never tried it in a pool but i know it helps with rain and sweat. ... i hope that helps

[The-Don-]

VERY thin layer of latex maybe, I suggest testing it out, really depends how close you're going to film him.

If he is a masochist, you could wax it, really depends how serious the project is i'd imagine.

He won't wax it and wants it to grow out once we are done.
I will try a thin layer of latex on his face to see if that will work.

[WesScog]

Wes i refuse to believe you are a real person .. you are some kind of robot man with all of the internet in your head ...

I'm just a fellow Moguler who has been obsessed with Special Effects for most of his life, and has been involved with solving a LOT of effects questions for a LONG time.

Or you could just go the easier route and call me a big nerd.

I just want to be helpful, impart some of my resources to helping people, and learn new things from people as hopelessly fascinated with making their films and ideas look as good as possible with no budget, and lots of ingenuity.

[WesScog]

Hope it works out. If it doesn't look good, try adding on makeup, and THEN a thin layer of latex matte varnish.

It shouldn't be real noticeable, especially if the actor is going to be wet, AND it should keep the actor's face water proof for a good while until he peels it off at least.

[Walucas]

Hey WesScog! Why don't you make a website like INDY MOGUL about special effects! but you know, you don't need the videos. but you can.

[WesScog]

waterproof foundation has been invented, sir.


Thats the obvious choice, yea, but he said he doubted it would work for the situation they are planning. So offering alternatives.

[The-Don-]

I will try that

[THX1138]

If your actor is 23 getting that no stubble look is gonna be easy.

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Originally Posted by uhrisuh http://forum.indymogul.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forum.indymogul.com/showthread.php?p=1584#post1584)
you might want to try bleaching the hair on his face with a facial hair bleaching kit .. i don't think they cost much or covering his face completely in a couple layers of latex .. ... also .. i think buying a bottle of ben nye make -up sealer might help with the water problem. I've never tried it in a pool but i know it helps with rain and sweat. ... i hope that helps

In the movie Nancy Drew, Max Thierot had his facial hair bleached. He is 18 and needed to play 14.

To make him look younger or any male younger do this.

If your actor has a square shaped head longer hair is best.
If your actor has a oval shaped head short crew cut hair is best.

cut off the sideburns and bleach the sideburns stubble at the same time you bleach the facial hair. I do not recommend bleaching the upper lip because it is more sensitive than the beard area. I suggest just shaving that down and then going against the grain and then cover it up with a minute ammount of mineral foundation. This will prevent it from looking cakey and fake.

Max was dressed in loose clothing to hide his physique you should also do the same. Button down shirts with a pattern under a loose fitting jacket will pull off a nice illusion.

I am assuming you need your actor to achieve the look of a middle aged teenager? you never said. If you are going for something younger than that it will not be pulled off well unless the camera is far enough away to obscure the adult edges of the chin and jaw bone.

You could go for an over ammount of blush but, I never thought that made the illusion look any better than without it just personal opinion.

You have to remember that the audience is not gonna buy into the fact that this 23 year old is a 15-16 year old but you can give the illusion to the point where the audience will buy into it for a split second and that is all you need to get the audience's attention.

OOPS! I didn't read the part about them being in a underwater scene. hmm, You could have the actor shave their arms and legs and chest if they have chest hair. This is an even better scenario because the natural light from the sun hitting the water at wierd angles is going to obscure the viewers look of your actor. So the illusion will be pulled off even better.

Good Luck!

[Magical Monkey]

i need to find out how to make myself look a lot older then i really am for a limited budget for 1 of my movies i'm making.

any ideas? :confused:

[daydreamer1]

like how much older?

[spoo2]

there is an episode on this

[Darkmast508]

No, I believe he needs to look in his 20s-40s. just paste on a mustache and do the aging-episode instructions fairly lightly.

[Magical Monkey]

like how much older?
'bout 10 ten yrs older

[Darkmast508]

So you need to look about 21 years old?

[Magical Monkey]

So you need to look about 21 years old?
yea...

[Darkmast508]

Lol.

[Cosmic Hamster Productions]

NIce guess!!

[Darkmast508]

Lol.....

[Fisherking]

Just get your siblings to buy you alcohol, like the rest of us.

[Cosmic Hamster Productions]

I don't think he wants alcohol he's looking to look like a guard for our movie! I'm still Cosmic Hamster Productions but he's in it and so is Dark mast 508, (Who I made the BOOM Poll with!).

[Imbender]

Not to sound like im being mean but maybe stilts, fake sideburns, some fake rayban sun glasses. I don't know the look your going for but just some suggestions. maybe some fake stuble? Along the line of Alchohol... you could use some fake beer as in some glass rootbeet bottles.

[Cosmic Hamster Productions]

UM... A guard ISN'T allow ed to drink alcohol on duty so fake beer glass wouldn't work but the rest would... i think an hope!

[ninjabros]

I agree, my age can completely ruin a film.

[AlecHarsh]

hello everyone, i have a question about the aging makeup effect that uses stipple latex. i am absolutley flustered, with a ton of deadlines coming up, but i just realized that i don't know what to do about this.
ok, so the question,
is it possible to put the stipple latex on top of the same tulle mesh as a beards, so that it can be reapplied, to save time and money? Could I cut the tulle to fit the face, apply regular latex to the face, stretch the skin and put the tulle on, then start applying the stipple latex on top?
thanks for any help you can supply.

[Vaughn Whynot]

hope this will help you
http://www.indymogul.com/episode/BFX_20070716
if not i think someone on the forum can help you no probs

[WesScog]

You could make re-applicable aged make-up, but you'd most likely need to take a cast of their face, and build up on it, carving wrinkles and stuff into it.

Wait until Arissa gets here, she'll definitely have an idea to streamline the make-up.

[AlecHarsh]

You could make re-applicable aged make-up, but you'd most likely need to take a cast of their face, and build up on it, carving wrinkles and stuff into it.


well, i was trying to avoid that, I AM new to makeup, and movies, and I have nerver taken a lifecast before, and the movie that i need this for has some major deadlines, that i don't have control over (the director is moving). and we only have about a month to get a movie that will probably be about feature length finished, so, i would rather not try something too ambitious(a lifecast). i was really hoping i would be able to avoid lifecasting by using something else. would it be possible to just layer the sking with 5-10 layer of regular laex before applying, and just peel it off? then apply the tulle underneath it, and recoat it with latex, rather than applying the tulle to the face first?
any ways thank Wes. And Vaughn, thanks,but i have seen the video, and quite a few other techniques, but what i need is the reusable quality. thanks

[uhrisuh]

In all honesty I have no idea if what you are proposing would work. It sounds like it could possibly work but i can't be for sure. It's defiantly something to try out though. And it might be time consuming and quite difficult for a person to pull off with little make-up experience. But that's how I've learn a lot of what i know, through trial and error. So let me know if it works out, I'm interested in knowing. And POST PICTURES when you are done.

[AlecHarsh]

OK, thanks for every who has responded, but i found out from the director, that this particular character is only about 40-43, so, i really only need a small amount of stipple latex, so i don't really need to make it reapplicable, but in the furute, i will definitley try it, when i am not spending alot on other stuff for the movie.but i do have on more makeup related question, how much crepe hair should i need to make these three basic beards?
http://www.beards.org/large_goatee.jpg
http://www.beards.org/large_friendly_mutton_chops.jpg and
http://www.beards.org/large_balbo.jpg
thanks.

[Fisherking]

I have my doubts.

Stipple latex is great for quick and dirty old age effects, but it's not really reusable. What Wes' suggesting is pretty much what is done in Hollywood. Unless you're particularly good, that's probably not going to be feasible.

[uhrisuh]

OK, thanks for every who has responded, but i found out from the director, that this particular character is only about 40-43, so, i really only need a small amount of stipple latex, so i don't really need to make it reapplicable, but in the furute, i will definitley try it, when i am not spending alot on other stuff for the movie.but i do have on more makeup related question, how much crepe hair should i need to make these three basic beards?
http://www.beards.org/large_goatee.jpg
http://www.beards.org/large_friendly_mutton_chops.jpg and
http://www.beards.org/large_balbo.jpg
thanks.

I can't see the photos, probably due to a hotlinking issue. But I would recommend a foot. Possibly more if the pictures are long beards. Crepe hair goes a long way and it's always good thing to have lying around.

[The 3rd]

Ok Indy Mogul Guys if someone can help me that would be awesome, I'm in a situation where I can't really get 25, 55 or 105 year old people to work with me, so my solution would be old age make up, however I only know a little bit on how to do it, pull back on the skin apply liquid latex to create wrinkles and stuff but I would also like to know how to make custom wigs with crepe hair to create a balding effect, and I would like to know how to realistically alter an actors face to create more intense facial alterations that come with aging, if you want an example of this watch the trailer for the upcoming movie the curious case of benjamin button and you will notice these features on brad pitt, http://benjamin-button-trailer.blogspot.com/
so can anyone show me an example of how to do this or can the indy mogul guys create a podcast, P.S I know there has been an episode on this but the results weren't exactly what I'm looking for and I think that there must be a better solution that can be done under or for around 50 bucks.

[PhantomOnABudget]

Old age stipple is better than regular liquid latex for aging effects, so my first suggestion would be to invest in some. One thing the BFX old age makeup didn't go into was using makeup to literally change the shape of the actor's face using some highlighting and shadowing. You're not going to get a truly realistic result with a budget of $50 or less. As I'm sure you know, the Brad Pitt movie (which looks interesting, by the way) used prosthetics appliances to achieve those looks. The best you can do is go to the library and pick up a book on theatrical makeup (try Stage Makeup by Richard Corson, or The Technique of the Professional Makeup Artist by Vincent JR Kehoe if possible) and study how the old age makeups are applied for stage work. Again, not the ideal solution for film, but playing with the light on an actor's face can age him considerably, and really compliment an old age stipple job. Some advise that the makeup be applied first, then the stipple over that. You may have to play with it. Don't be afraid to add age spots and other coloration distortions. Study aged people and see how their skin changes as they age.

This page demonstrates quite well a good stippling job:
http://www.sapsema.org/broadbnd.html

Here's a YouTube video demonstrating the stage makeup techniques I'm talking about:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zMXajXy3QUI

If you need a really drastic transformation, you may want to look at some prosthetics for your actor. One of the best I've seen is the Wyzard prosthetic from the Scream Team (http://www.screamteam.com/newpage/wyzard.htm). Unfortunately it's not cheap.

As far as balding effects and wigs go, you can buy bald caps, apply them, and then adhere crepe hair carefully from the bottom (back) of the bald cap forward using liquid latex. This is tedious and time consuming, but if done properly the first time you should be able to reuse it. If that's the case, I would suggest rubber bald caps as they're more durable, but the downfall is that they are much more difficult to blend than plastic caps. Your stipple would come in handy in creating that blending edge into the skin.

Speaking of crepe hair, if you're using it for any facial hair work, pay attention to the direction of hair growth. Another reason the BFX old age episode didn't impress me was due to the fact that the beard looked like it was just slapped on and as a result was incredibly fake. For example: don't just lay long strands of hair horizontally across the upper lip for the mustache portion of the beard. Just take note of natural hair growth and try to duplicate it by applying the hair a little at a time with spirit gum, stipple, or thin layers of liquid latex, and then trim the beard to the desired length when you finish.

[The 3rd]

thanks a bunch the links were good and I'll definitely take a look into those books.

[tomthefriendlyarsonist]

I am 15, I need to look 55, I don't have time to wait. If there is already a thread about this, then I apologise. I am fairly new to this filmmaking lark, and need to look rather a lot older than I do now, ideally without mucking about with foam latex. Any tips, links, whatever, would be appreciated.

[anomalie]

I believe there's an episode about this already. Liquid latex to make the wrinkles, makeup to give them emphasis. If you use only makeup, I think it will look... drawn on. Why not just cast someone older?

[speekerphone]

You can use the old man make-up. I'll get you a link in a second....http://www.indymogul.com/backyard-fx/episode/BFX_20070716

[PhantomOnABudget]

Here's another thread on aging makeup:
http://forum.indymogul.com/showpost.php?p=159281&postcount=2

[tomthefriendlyarsonist]

thankyou all for your information. in response to anomalie, I cant cast someone older because I'm making a film with my friends, so I've got about three different shades of teenage to choose from. Would germolene nu-skin work in place of latex?

[gryphern]

A little bottle of rigid collodion (scare liquid) is a great way to create wrinkles, I prefer it to latex, and a small amount goes a very long way so it's not too pricey.

Then, once you've got some hard core wrinkles and sags glued into your skin you can apply aging techniques with makeup.

[anomalie]

Make sure you don't OVERdo the wrinkles. 55 isn't that old - so some crowsfeet around the eyes and a few forehead lines would do better than wrinkles over the entire face. :) You don't want to look 80.

[Skycarl]

Thank you Anomalie ;)

[melhuff1982]

So I noticed you have a video about old age makeup, but what about only needing to age someone a few years or not quite old? Such as making someone in their 30's look 45ish. Or vice versa making someone who is in their 30's look 21.

[Skycarl]

I like the question here about making someone older look younger.
Strictly for movie making of course. But if anyone knows how to do this,
please feel free to post on it. Any ideas,,, please let us know.

For movie use only,,, of course.

[lotrwackjob]

haha skycarl. I think I would, if it's a guy give him a clean shave, and also bpend his skin in to eliminate some of the blemishes. Idk how that would look but it's worth a try

[Mattageddon]

How old someone looks has a lot to do with the face. If they have more wrinkles they're going to look older.I've had 3 forehead wrinkles and a stubbly beard for about two years. I've been mistaken for being anywhere from 18-23. Some have even thought that (side-by-side) my mother and I were brother and sister. My mother is in her 40's but she looks almost in her early 30's. It really depends on WHAT ABOUT THEM makes them look older.

[PhantomOnABudget]

This question has been asked recently on the forums, so if you dig up that thread I'm sure you'll get some other ideas. The following is a stage makeup tutorial, but it is very useful in demonstrating how some basic makeup can be used to age:
Middle Age Makeup Tutorial (http://www.towson.edu/stagemakeup/MiddleAge%20HowTo/index.html)

[TheAviator]

Older: If it's a male actor tell them to grow a beard and color it slightly grey. Have them scrunch their face and lightly go over the existing wrinkles with a makeup pen.

Younger: Right before the cut to earlier years have your actor look older. Have them look up and show more white of their eyes. It also helps to change their hairstyle. Also, lighten the scene with a filter and change the camera angle. you don't even necessarily have to make them look younger, just different. Change the hair color or something, give them glasses, just play with it.

[MitchellStafiej]

Hey guys! So I need a way to look older in a film. Not too older but around 4 years (I'm 17 at the moment). Right off the bat I'll tell you I can't grow a beard, so that's out of the question.

What type of makeup techniques would I need to use to make myself look a tiny bit older?

Mitch

[Patuman]

Apply the old person make-up but more lightly... haha.

I'm sorry, I have nothing to contribute :D

[uhrisuh]

I'm pretty sure 4 years wont really make a difference. Maybe try dressing older and acting older. You can try a stubble effect by getting a stubble sponge and varying shades of browns. You can apply those to your face to give you a five o'clock shadow effect. But I think it's mainly going to show that you're older by dress and how you act.

[MitchellStafiej]

I'm pretty sure 4 years wont really make a difference. Maybe try dressing older and acting older. You can try a stubble effect by getting a stubble sponge and varying shades of browns. You can apply those to your face to give you a five o'clock shadow effect. But I think it's mainly going to show that you're older by dress and how you act.
Thought so, I also look much older with longer hair, so for the scenes where I'm younger I shall cut my hair and the scenes where I'm older I'll just leave it long.

Mitch

[Spleg]

Thought so, I also look much older with longer hair, so for the scenes where I'm younger I shall cut my hair and the scenes where I'm older I'll just leave it long.

Mitch
Make sure you shoot the older scenes first, otherwise you might run into a slight problem... ;)

We had an actor dye his hair between shoots once. But that film got scrapped anyway.

[anomalie]

If you'll have an older and a younger version in the film, that'll be a big help. I agree with Arissa, wardrobe will make the biggest difference. Look at what high schoolers wear vs what college students wear. Depending on how young the younger version will be, you could use a smaller voice (VERY slight, you don't want to sound cartoony, I just mean a little less confident/certain) and have a couple different mannerisms (fidgiting a little with clothing, chewing lip, etc).

Good luck.

[C2Films]

Ding!
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.7428

[Cris Cole]

I am 15, I need to look 55, I don't have time to wait. If there is already a thread about this, then I apologise. I am fairly new to this filmmaking lark, and need to look rather a lot older than I do now, ideally without mucking about with foam latex. Any tips, links, whatever, would be appreciated.
Ha! I do this all the time for a series at church called Grandpa George's House. Buy some wrinkle stipple and mask grease, found at any costume shop or www.fxsupply.com (http://www.fxsupply.com) then, clean skin.
Next
1)Strech skin
2)Apply a thin even layer of wrinkle stipple (WS) on the face, paying attetion to the crows feet.
3)Let dry
4) powder; realse
5)repeat 1-4 four times.
6)Apply mask grease on the WS as close to your skin tone as possible.
7)highlight
8)shadows
9)bald cap
10)grey wig.

[google550]

Cris Cole's suggestion for extreme aging is pretty dead-on. But for REALLY subtle aging like you're talking about, I would probably use a stick of eyeliner to darken the lines of the face. Just smudge your lines (don't make them too heavy) and you should look several years older.

[WesScog]

Merged.

[Steelersk36]

I know liquid latex is THE BEST way to make wrinkles.
But see, I'm in a play in two days and was just informed of the wrinkle
requirement. No time to search out latex, what with late night rehearsals
and stuff. I do have scar cream and some other stuff though, do you guys think scar cream could work in some way? Or anything else I can use on short notice?

[uhrisuh]

If you are in a play, Make-up is done very differently. Wrinkles for stage make-up are done with a shadow line and then a highlight line just right above it. It is done very dramatically and will look very fake up close, but people in the audience will get the full effect. Here is an example that is done with just eyeshadow and creme make-up.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/105/367360978_e6f8890fb4.jpg?v=0

[Radstrike]

I got some latex from our local craftstore, but I'm not sure if it's the same stuff as liquid latex. It's in liquid form, but is called "Rubber Latex" and cautions to avoid contact with skin. Is this because it is a different chemical make-up from liquid latex, or just because of the severe allergical reaction some people have to latex? Can I use this stuff?

[uhrisuh]

If it cautions you about using it on your skin, that should be your first indication not to.

[Steelersk36]

Thanx Arissa.
Good that there's some one to count on for last
minute emergencies. I'll give it a shot.

[RShahProductions]

Hey guys and girls,

I really loved the Bald Cap BFX video and I was thinking, how come Indy Mogul haven't (at least to my knowledge) done a video on aging yet? I think that would be so amazing if they could teach us how to use latex in order to age a person's face, whether they be male or female. And I'm not going to lie, it would definitely be useful for one of my own projects but I'm sure for many other's too.

Thanks :D

[Neaps]

yeah, that would be awesome. heya Erik, we got an idea! or maybe wes could do something like that some time. Or maybe Parker. Whatever.

[ciwi286]

Oh but they have. Back in the days when they filmed in a back yard!

http://www.indymogul.com/backyardfx/episode/BFX_20070716/aging-makeup (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIGVZOaakMU)

[SyxxGage]

Oh but they have. Back in the days when they filmed in a back yard!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIGVZOaakMU

Damn ciwi. That was fast. I just found the link to this two year old episode, but you beat me to it.

[TreasureBox Films]

He is amazing. Love that guy.