I need help, we may have to move

[_ray_biddle_]

My son (some of you kind of know Zach) has two bullies and normally standing up to them works and life goes on.

But not these two, they come from what I call the three headed monster family.

Pure White trash, meth dealing/using, gun running types.

They've threatened to kill me on numerous occasions, they torture Zach and for those of you who have met my daughter Kirsten, even their mom has went after her.

This family is so notorious the Spokane Police know who they are and what they do but since they're on state assistance they get away with murder. Those on state assistance that try to better themselves i have no problem with(I've been there and we worked hard to get back on track), when they use it to further illegal activities...I have a huge problem with that.

15 of them just about jumped me one day and tonight there was a school movie night. I stayed home, they were telling Zach that his mom (my wife, Jackie, some of you have seen her on Ray Live) is dead. He was great and ignored their taunts.

I can't take much more. If it was just me well, I'd do what I have to. But it isn't, my family is being threatened and my kids are bullied.

The police know and come around more but they can't do anything until they carry out the threat. Thank you Spokane PD!

I don't want to move. I also don't want to do something stupid but if it keeps my family safe then well...

The school is afraid of these people, cause they will claim harassment. They're that kind of people.

I'm thinking of doing a special broadcast of my show where I just go after them publicly and name names and tell about how they are.

I already was told not to confront them by the powers that be, SPD. I can't just stand back much longer.

I am posting this here because you are a smart bunch. How can i beat these m----rf-----s. If anyone reads this and has an idea, please send it to me.

Also if a Wednesday goes by where I don't post about Ray Live, send in troops. Because something really bad went down.

I'm literally nearing the end of my rope.

Thanks you,

Ray Biddle

[TreasureBox Films]

get a gun. have you seen they gran torino trailer? jk.
maybe a hardcore Private investigator?

[Scott]

Ray, the only serious thing I would know to do without and illegal activity is just to go ahead and move. I mean if the "law" is acting indifferently, then there's little you can legallydo. So if you can move without too much stress and strain, then I suggest doing that. Otherwise, call the Methbusters.

[anomalie]

I'm sorry I don't have any advice, I just wanted to give my best wishes. That's a really rough situation, and I can't believe how awful people will be sometimes. :(

[_ray_biddle_]

get a gun. have you seen they gran torino trailer? jk.
maybe a hardcore Private investigator?

I forgot this, I was able to get half of them evicted but inWA state there's a law (it's a WTF law too) that says when evicting someone on state assistance for whatever reason including JUST CAUSE the landlord has to either find housing that the evicted party finds suitable and the landlord has to pay for the move.

[TreasureBox Films]

Bang! Bang! RAY BIDDLES silver hammer
Came down upon his head.
Clang! Clang! RAY BIDDLES silver hammer
Made sure that he was dead.

[_ray_biddle_]

Ray, the only serious thing I would know to do without and illegal activity is just to go ahead and move. I mean if the "law" is acting indifferently, then there's little you can legallydo. So if you can move without too much stress and strain, then I suggest doing that. Otherwise, call the Methbusters.

We own house though. Selling it isn't easy right now with the economy in the toilet.

[_ray_biddle_]

I'm sorry I don't have any advice, I just wanted to give my best wishes. That's a really rough situation, and I can't believe how awful people will be sometimes. :(


Thanks for the best wishes.

They are appreciated.

[_ray_biddle_]

Bang! Bang! RAY BIDDLES silver hammer
Came down upon his head.
Clang! Clang! RAY BIDDLES silver hammer
Made sure that he was dead.

Considered it, but this family (there's a good 20 of them) doesn't talk one on one. They bring out guns and bats. Oh yeah, these are not good people.

The postal service stopped delivering their mail.

[TreasureBox Films]

I repeat buy a gun. have you seen any Clint Eastwood movies? bam!bam!bam!Makout!Bam!Bam!Bam!
oh
how old are you kids? if they are under ten never mind.

[TreasureBox Films]

oooo! I just noticed one of your interests is burying body's! enough said!

[TacticalNinja]

Wow sounds like they need a talk with somthing that does less talking and more exploding...

That's not cool.

Why can't people get along? Like Im sure you've done nothing to em.

I wish I knew what to tell you to do. since moving sucks, No one wants to buy a house the way the markets are looking. How big is Spokane. What if you moved so your kid was in a diffrent school but they didn't know where you moved to. Like you rent an apartment for a few months or somthing until you find a buyer.

Most important thing is you and your family is safe. Obviously. Do whatever you think is right, and whatever will make it safe for your family.

[_ray_biddle_]

GUn- I did think abut it but my son thinks guns are cool and knowing me it would lead to bigger problems.

And they have those fun guns, AK47's and the like.

[WesScog]

Stop telling him to just buy a gun, that isn't going to solve the problem.

This is pretty terrible Ray, and I can sympathize with the situation, but I want to be forthright with you, i'm NOT going to tell you to stay and "stand up" to them, this is your family we're talking about.

If it was just you, out of principle I would say, yea, get a gun and stand up to the punks, but you can't protect your family all the time, and if they jump Zach at school, you having a gun won't help anything since you can't be there for him all the time.

If they have attacked him before, then that is assault, you've got to be able to talk to the school or something. Also, there are laws against making threats against someones life, they can't just get away with that.

This is very troubling, with no clean-cut answer. If you pack up and move, whose going to stop them from still doing this to someone else? I mean you want to protect your family first and foremost, but it's so crummy that the police are ignoring the situation.

If you stay, it could continue to escalate, and end up with someone getting severely injured.

So no matter what you do there is hardship involved, but moving is the one that will have the highest probability of protecting your family.

Otherwise, I suggest enrolling Zach into a reputable martial arts / self-defense class. He needs to be able to defend himself as much as possible, the bigger physical liability he is, the less likely he's able to get bullied.

[TreasureBox Films]

I'm done with the gun stuff. read my previous post.
defensively *wink* martial arts.

[WesScog]

GUn- I did think abut it but my son thinks guns are cool and knowing me it would lead to bigger problems.

And they have those fun guns, AK47's and the like.

That's why you break him of it, teach him how to operate it, show him it's destructive ability.

I thought guns were awesome when I was younger, and its still a big interest for me, but my parents brought me out to the range and I got it out of my system, I don't think guns are "cool", I respect them and they interest me, but I had to get that instilled into me by my parents.

These guys sound like the proverbial definition of "goon", I would suggest considering a firearm purchase if you can't move right away, and if Zach is home alone and a couple of these guys decide to see if anyone is home, it would worry if the police couldn't get there in time.

I'm not trying to make you paranoid, just as a friend, I suggest prepare for the worst case scenario, but hope for the best case.

[_ray_biddle_]

Wow sounds like they need a talk with somthing that does less talking and more exploding...

That's not cool.

Why can't people get along? Like Im sure you've done nothing to em.

I wish I knew what to tell you to do. since moving sucks, No one wants to buy a house the way the markets are looking. How big is Spokane. What if you moved so your kid was in a diffrent school but they didn't know where you moved to. Like you rent an apartment for a few months or somthing until you find a buyer.

Most important thing is you and your family is safe. Obviously. Do whatever you think is right, and whatever will make it safe for your family.

I went down there to talk with them and that led to a screaming match.

This all started because my son stopped them from starting a fire and before that, my oldest told them to piss off when they were trying to sell drugs to her. That led them to say their dad was going to shoot me.

At this point I didn't even know who they were or anything about their family.

We're all safe but I'd be lying if I said there wasn't stress. I'm an old hockey player and I have no problem dropping the gloves so to speak. I also believe if we move they win and they'll do it to someone else.

I've kicked ass (when it was necessary)and have had my ass kicked, that's no big deal. In those situations nobody had weapons that could cut me in half in a couple seconds.

I just wish the school would do more. It's Friday and I know on Monday crap will come down on Zach. He's just ignoring them but these little wussies just are relentless. It's hard enough to stand up to them when he does but they run to their mommy and then she goes after my daughter.

I asked her to just stay out of it but she's to f'ed up all the time to stand let alone hold a conversation. She then gets the others and well you can see how being outnumbered can be a problem.


I had this dream that they all OD on their product (drugs). We've also contacted certain state agencies and come January they have some problems with CPS coming. It's getting to then.

[_ray_biddle_]

That's why you break him of it, teach him how to operate it, show him it's destructive ability.

I thought guns were awesome when I was younger, and its still a big interest for me, but my parents brought me out to the range and I got it out of my system, I don't think guns are "cool", I respect them and they interest me, but I had to get that instilled into me by my parents.

These guys sound like the proverbial definition of "goon", I would suggest considering a firearm purchase if you can't move right away, and if Zach is home alone and a couple of these guys decide to see if anyone is home, it would worry if the police couldn't get there in time.

I'm not trying to make you paranoid, just as a friend, I suggest prepare for the worst case scenario, but hope for the best case.

Thanks Wes, I understand and appreciate what you're saying. I'm more worried about me and guns then anything else. I am always prepared for the worst case scenario.

No Zach's not home here by himself, I work at home and someone's always here.

We're not without means(weapons), just ours don't shoot bullets. I already told them (my biggest mistake in this whole shitty mess) that if they came onto my property and didn't lease instantly when asked I'd take them out. I also told them if they jumped me, they may (most likely) kick my ass but I'm taking an ear and eye from at least one of them. They just laughed at me (that was in the screaming match). Not that movie laugh like mobsters do, more like maniacal psychotic laughter.


Zach and I both have had weapons training, he's just kind of hyper and immature and well I'm accident prone.

[_ray_biddle_]

Stop telling him to just buy a gun, that isn't going to solve the problem.

This is pretty terrible Ray, and I can sympathize with the situation, but I want to be forthright with you, i'm NOT going to tell you to stay and "stand up" to them, this is your family we're talking about.

If it was just you, out of principle I would say, yea, get a gun and stand up to the punks, but you can't protect your family all the time, and if they jump Zach at school, you having a gun won't help anything since you can't be there for him all the time.

If they have attacked him before, then that is assault, you've got to be able to talk to the school or something. Also, there are laws against making threats against someones life, they can't just get away with that.

This is very troubling, with no clean-cut answer. If you pack up and move, whose going to stop them from still doing this to someone else? I mean you want to protect your family first and foremost, but it's so crummy that the police are ignoring the situation.

If you stay, it could continue to escalate, and end up with someone getting severely injured.

So no matter what you do there is hardship involved, but moving is the one that will have the highest probability of protecting your family.

Otherwise, I suggest enrolling Zach into a reputable martial arts / self-defense class. He needs to be able to defend himself as much as possible, the bigger physical liability he is, the less likely he's able to get bullied.

Again I know and understand. It's so hard because we busted our tails to buy this house.

Zach's a tough kid and he's defended himself against them before. The 12 year actually ran home and got his Uncle.

[Scott]

We own house though. Selling it isn't easy right now with the economy in the toilet.

Well then try and get ahold of their meth dealer and tell him to put melamine in the meth.

[_ray_biddle_]

Thank you everybody for your kind words and guidance. My fmily and I really appreciate it.

I have to get some sleep.

I'll post updates.

See you all tomorrow.

[_ray_biddle_]

Well then try and get ahold of their meth dealer and tell him to put melamine in the meth.

They make their own and deal and are in a f'ing school zone.

[Scott]

They make their own and deal and are in a f'ing school zone.

Where are the vigilantes when you need them?

[WesScog]

Where are the vigilantes when you need them?

Apparently not in Spokane.

[Scott]

Apparently not in Spokane.

Well then I guess the only thing there is to do is hope their meth lab blows up with them in it.

[instantkult]

I would suggest you use your camera to document every interaction you have with these "people". If the police still refuse to help when presented with video evidence of their harassment, check with a lawyer to see if you have a civil case or if you might have grounds for a restraining order.

[Patuman]

I would suggest you use your camera to document every interaction you have with these "people". If the police still refuse to help when presented with video evidence of their harassment, check with a lawyer to see if you have a civil case or if you might have grounds for a restraining order.

I don't know anything about this case, but Ray said there was a lot of them. so a restraining order against a few wouldn't do too much and if they're meth addicts they probably wont obey it.

On the other hand the video evidence thing is a good bet if its possible to achieve.


And keep yourself and your family safe Ray, I hope this mess sorts out and they get what they deserve.

Stay strong!

[instantkult]

so a restraining order against a few wouldn't do too much and if they're meth addicts they probably wont obey it.

It's more likely that the police would intervene in a restraining order violation than a simple personal dispute.

[DeadFishProductions]

I know that moving would be hard what with the economic situation but if it is to protect your sanity, family etc. then its probably worth it.

[Vaughn Whynot]

yeah but wes
you got to remember alot of these users and kiddos and are stuck in the movie world
ray i would take it to the town hall
no joke
go there and explain that if the police can't do anything why are they even there
if that doesn't work
go on a mini vacation, go stay with parents or friends and put the house on the market
and go to the local paper about the cops not doing anything
if there is one thing i know is that towns and cities hate bad publicity in any shape or form
so contact everyone

[Patuman]

It's more likely that the police would intervene in a restraining order violation than a simple personal dispute.

Very true, I'm not saying that he shouldn't file for one but that they might not obey it.

[Zombievsrobot]

I hate the idea of being forced out of your home but your families safety is of course the priority.

I'd film them in all their activities, low key of course. Put together a documentary about the most evil family in America and then start the next viral sensation on the net or play it on the local public access station.

Safety first.

[uzi1951]

State police?

[ericslovechild]

I know a...guy... in the apokane area. He's dealt with this sort of thing before. Want I should send him your way?

[_ray_biddle_]

I know a...guy... in the apokane area. He's dealt with this sort of thing before. Want I should send him your way?

That would be great, thank you.

[_ray_biddle_]

Thanks again everyone!

Things should stay on the quiet side until Monday morning, then that's when it will get nerve racking again.

We've made some arrangements and if things go from bad to worse, the kids and Jackie have a place to go (I do to but I won't let them take my house).

I did just get a call from a deputy sheriff who is a few blocks away and he has dealt with these fools too. He lives right across the street. He assured me they're being watched. He also said we're being watched and to deal with the sheriff's department more then SPD.

Again thank you everyone.

[punkandska66]

^ That's a good thing to know. That they're being watched, and that you have a policeman living close to you. Also that you have a place to stay IF it comes to that. You should get a shotgun and teach these primitive screwheads a lesson. "This is my BOOMstick!"

That was a joke, guns won't help. Especially if they have numbers. I say just talking to a lot of authorities in the area, but I don't know anything about this kind of stuff.

[TreasureBox Films]

BFG 9000. Done.

[TreasureBox Films]

carry a radio around with you that plays either back in black or the empire march.

[punkandska66]

^ Lol, and Lol ^

[MitchellStafiej]

If they have a meth lab I'm pretty sure they'd be busted under possible suspicion no? Seems to be a lot of suspicion what with all of the selling going on.

It's baffling to see the PD not taking action... but this is the world we live in right?

Owning a gun in your situation wouldn't be terrible. Only for self defense though. It probably sounds terrible but if something terrible DOES happen you'll really only have the option to fight fire with fire. Just a thought.

Hope all works out. Best wishes and good luck.

Mitch

[snicket]

carry a radio around with you that plays either back in black or the empire march.

Empire march hands down...

Ray, man this is just unbelievable that some people can be such jerks. I am deeply sorry. The only thing I can think of is move. But like you said the economy is down the toilet.
Once again I am deeply sorry.

[TacticalNinja]

I went down there to talk with them and that led to a screaming match.

This all started because my son stopped them from starting a fire and before that, my oldest told them to piss off when they were trying to sell drugs to her. That led them to say their dad was going to shoot me.

At this point I didn't even know who they were or anything about their family.

We're all safe but I'd be lying if I said there wasn't stress. I'm an old hockey player and I have no problem dropping the gloves so to speak. I also believe if we move they win and they'll do it to someone else.

I've kicked ass (when it was necessary)and have had my ass kicked, that's no big deal. In those situations nobody had weapons that could cut me in half in a couple seconds.

I just wish the school would do more. It's Friday and I know on Monday crap will come down on Zach. He's just ignoring them but these little wussies just are relentless. It's hard enough to stand up to them when he does but they run to their mommy and then she goes after my daughter.

I asked her to just stay out of it but she's to f'ed up all the time to stand let alone hold a conversation. She then gets the others and well you can see how being outnumbered can be a problem.


I had this dream that they all OD on their product (drugs). We've also contacted certain state agencies and come January they have some problems with CPS coming. It's getting to then.
yep. you move they win.

A like your thinking.

A quick comment to those comments aboce saying a gun won't solve anything.

It may and or may not. I believe peace, in a curupt world is who ever holds the larger weapon. Sad but true. if I have a G36C and you have a berrta. You wont attack because you know your gun is smaller and my assault rifle fires heavier rounds at a faster rate.

Not saying this is what you should try. But its one possible solution. Do you best, keep working through government agencies and lets get scum off the streets. (they still haven't found me and gotten me off the streets)

[3amigosproductions]

Get a group of people that are having the same experience and all of you walk over to their house with shotguns pitchforks and torches and do everything in your power

[TreasureBox Films]

without breaking the law.

[Citrus]

Holy crap, Ray. I know you mentioned the fire thing on the show but I never thought it would lead to and include all of this!

I'm really hoping it doesn't come to anything serious, but I'm glad you've got a plan for your family. I can't believe that WTF law. Stay safe Ray, keep Zach safe, and try to stay out of those jerks' way. If I were you, I would at least pack a nice sized knife with you, just in case.

[cubes]

Have you tried the state police? Mayors office? States attorney general? Find out if your local or state dept has a drug task force and be sure and notify them also. It's a shame we have to deal with worthless pieces of shit like that. Hate to have to see you move because of that, but if local law enforcement fails you, then you have no choice but to do what you have to to protect your family. Personally, I think all meth cooks, dealers, and users need to be exterminated on sight. Hope it all works out for you Ray.

[_ray_biddle_]

Yes, we've contacted(not just us, at least 10 families) agencies on the local & state level. It all comes back to them being on assistance. I forget which agency but we we're told "they are unfortunate/poor people and unless the police find something on them we should just leave them alone".

Spokane is unlike the rest of the world.

Search this name if you want to see what dealing with the police here is like:
Otto Zehm. This man was mentally handicapped and by most accounts was beaten to death because he was armed. His weapon, 2 liter bottle of soda.

Until recently if I called the police the response time was about 40 minutes.

I'm not one to call the police unless it is absolutely necessary. I have learned to deal with our neighborhood resource officer or go directly to the mayor.

Here's another tidbit I forgot to share:
These morons started a rumor that I abuse my children and have killed my wife.

My lawyer is coming over today and we're going to discuss a slander/libel complaint.

They are the lowest of the low.

[ciwi286]

Wow...This sucks Ray. I wish you and you family the best of luck! Hope you guys are alright and this can all be settled soon without anything "harsh".

The fact that the police aren't doing Jack about about is really shitty.

((I looked up Otto Zehm....That story is so messed up!))

[uzi1951]

My lawyer is coming over today and we're going to discuss a slander/libel complaint.


Isn't this putting gas on a fire?
And I am sitting here depressed about being unemployed, guess there is always someone worse off. Hang in there Ray. That's the best advice I can give. I am a loner so things are different, no one to get caught in the crossfire.
And your home should be your castle, but not worth getting killed over. Easy for me to say, but I would be off the wall like you.

[Vaughn Whynot]

Spokane is unlike the rest of the world.

Search this name if you want to see what dealing with the police here is like:
Otto Zehm. This man was mentally handicapped and by most accounts was beaten to death because he was armed. His weapon, 2 liter bottle of soda.
a man in my town was having a diabetic low and the cops thought he was drunk
tazed him and he died
so i am alittle worried about myself sometimes

[drweir]

Whoa. I think you've told me about these animals before but I had no idea it was this bad. I do like the idea of documenting everything they say and do to you. Keep a log, make videos, take pictures. That was the advice a lawyer gave us when we were dealing with our screwball neighbor.

[lowbudgetblockbuster22]

Okay Ray, I have a couple of suggestions.

1.) Get a security system on your house. You know those ones on TV where those numbers start covering the house, and then that guy breaks in and it immediately calls 911? Get one of those, who cares how much it costs, it's for you, and your family's safety.

2.) You know these people sell drugs right? Well maybe you can talk to the SPD or the Sheriff's Department and try to trick them into selling you some meth. This probably isn't something you are willing to do, but make it as if you are trying to make amends, buy some meth from them, and then turn it into to the SPD or the Sheriff's Department, and they can for sure get them arrested. That's just an idea, if you think you need to do that, then do it.

3.) Get motioned sensor lights set up by your house, like very bright security lights, link those, your security system, and possibly a sprinkler system to activate. Then your invaders get blinded, caught, and sprayed with water. lol, doubt you are willing to do that.

4.) I do recommend getting a gun, a nice one, just for protection. If you don't, and they storm your house, then you are guaranteed dead.

5.) Start looking into some houses, you never know what can happen.

6.) Get your son AND daughter into a Martial Arts Class, or Karate Class. I took one when I was little, quit, and I still am pretty good about defending myself.

I hope things get resolved for you. I send my best wishes.

-Ethan Nelson

P.S.
What does jumping mean? Sorry, I am a little out of the loop on different harassments. lol

[Vaughn Whynot]

P.S.
What does jumping mean? Sorry, I am a little out of the loop on different harassments. lol
Jumping or Getting jumped
is like a group mugging
but they just beat the piss out of you

[lowbudgetblockbuster22]

Ouch . . .

[Vaughn Whynot]

Ouch . . .
yeah i got jumped a few times....
so i just ended up beating one of the guys on his front lawn

[lowbudgetblockbuster22]

Some kids at my school started ganging up on me and my friend and kicking soccer balls at our faces. I punched one of the kids in the face. Got him pretty good. We started talking shit to each other and I thought we were done, so I started to leave. He comes up behind me and tackles me. Does the old hand over the face thing. I punched him in the ribs he got off, good thing he left that year, haha. He was a douche, no one liked him, except this midget kid, no joke.

[Pablo585]

I peronally think you should document what they do. I dont know what else to do, but hang in there, you'll figure out something.

[Radstrike]

I've never experienced on such a large scale the problems you are talking about, but I do understand what those as individuals are like. If the law can't intervine because of the law, there really is not that much you can legally do. You already said you didn't want to move, and thats understandable.

You have to go over this with the thoroughness of a zombie plan (everyone has one, right? I've heard rumors that not everyone is ready for the zombpacalypse). On a more serious note, have a plan and a backup plan. You can buy a gun, but that's not going to help your situation; that will only be any good as a last resort, ie they come to torch your house or kill you and you pop a few of them. Anything you do in direct retaliation will be met as such.

It is up to you to decide the level of the conflict. I know this type of people, and if you get angry, they will get extremely violent. In such a situation it is unadvisable to do anything other than move. Unfortunately, such course is unexceptable, so you have to search out better means.

As a defensive measure:
A gun. This might not be the best choice, but things could get really hairy really fast. Don't tell your son about it, he'll just brag. Get him into gun classes just the same, just in case he finds it by accident. Tell your wife exactly where it is hidden, and have her get instruction too. Have family days at the range; rent guns, don't bring your own or your son will obviously realize that you have one.

Security Cameras: Not exactly defense, but it can help in identifying any unwelcome visitors.

Alarm System: get the type that comes with a police or private security force. The private force is probably better, sometimes they have faster responce times. Get a model that is loud and flashy; klaxons and the such. While such won't deter anyone with purpose, it should scare away a couple of drunk men (or sober men) who aren't completely intending on finishing you.

Non-lethal weaponry: this you can tell your son about. Boys are much less likely to brag "My daddy has pepper spray!" than "my dad has a gun." Pepper spray, tasers, shock guns, stuff like that. Painful and debilitating, but not lethal.

Start carrying a knife, but only if you honestly and truely think that if you had to, you would use it. Don't ever brandish it, it will only make them madder or more determined. Bring it out at the last second, say, just before they hit you. Make sure that you will be able to use it. A knife wielded by an unresolved victim is a worse than not good. Never bring it out while the conflict is only a fist-on-fist; doing so only escalates the conflict, and judging by your description, they are liable to respond with ammo.

[uzi1951]

At least get everyone old enough, to carry FOX brand pepper spray.

http://defensedevices.com/worhotpepspr.html

[Mattageddon]

First figure out what makes a meth lab explode. Offer them an ingredient with an explosive substance you've mixed in and wait....

But seriously, aren't drugs supporting terrorism? You could tell the CIA, FBI or whoever that they might be terrorists and they'll be watched even closer than they are right now.

Maybe a Splinter Cell or two?

[FreshMentos]

How old are these kids?

[Radstrike]

Hire a PI. He might be able to find out things that can allow the cops to bust these people down. In the mean time, have a plan to get your wife and kids out of town really fast in case the worst happens. Have an emergency pre-paid phone in the glove compartments of your vehicles and some taped under end tables, just in case.

[greyroompictures]

Whoa. I think you've told me about these animals before but I had no idea it was this bad. I do like the idea of documenting everything they say and do to you. Keep a log, make videos, take pictures. That was the advice a lawyer gave us when we were dealing with our screwball neighbor.

^^^ Yeah, Yeah, Yeah! ^^^

Man, I'm so sorry to hear about your situation Ray...

I'd just 'breathe easy' as best you can for a while - sounds like the situation can get easily enflamed and they sound like proper nutcases.

School wise, I'd be tempted to do the following. If nothing else, it'll help to keep your head focused and give a plan of action.

(1)
Have you talked to the school ? Do it on Monday if you can and warn them that an incident might occur that day. Note this conversation in a log.
Have they got an anti-bullying policy ?
If no policy exists, ask why and note down their answer.

(2)
Keep a record of incidents on the way to, during and on the way home from school with as much detail as possible.
Let the school know that you are doing this.

(3)
If the school do not demonstrate that they are taking the situation seriously, threaten to take the matter higher up the chain of authority. Show the school your notes too!

(4)
I have no idea how the school system works in the U.S. - but if you find out what the 'chain of command' is and if any inspections are coming up soon, this might swing things in your favour if you 'casually' mention your option to take things further.


You could try something similar with the poilce authorities. I'm just thinking that if people aren't prepared to deal with your neighbours as a 'problem', then leaning on the school/police kind of shifts the focus onto the relevant authorities... it means that you can focus your frustrations on 'suits' rather than your neighbours (which, under the circumstances, just seems dangerous). The approach may also appear less personal towards your neighbours and they may be less likely to retaliate.

I dunno - the situation is crap and my thoughts are just a bunch of ideas... I don't know the context... Just please steer your frustration towards the authorities and not these nutters - cos I don't want you or your family hurt!

Take care,


Andy

[Brainstrained]

get a gun. have you seen they gran torino trailer? jk.
maybe a hardcore Private investigator?

Bang! Bang! RAY BIDDLES silver hammer
Came down upon his head.
Clang! Clang! RAY BIDDLES silver hammer
Made sure that he was dead.

I repeat buy a gun. have you seen any Clint Eastwood movies? bam!bam!bam!Makout!Bam!Bam!Bam!
oh
how old are you kids? if they are under ten never mind.

oooo! I just noticed one of your interests is burying body's! enough said!

I'm done with the gun stuff. read my previous post.
defensively *wink* martial arts.

BFG 9000. Done.

carry a radio around with you that plays either back in black or the empire march.


Not a single one of your posts are helpful.

Shut the hell up.

@Ray: Maybe look into a restraining order? I know nothing about this but I really hope that this can get sorted out.
Talking to your lawyer would definitely not be "feeding the fire", like uzi said... I don't know what the hell he's talking about...

[Radstrike]

carry a radio around with you that plays either back in black or the empire march.

Yeah, the imperial march only really works if you are seven feet tall and have a mask and black cape.

[professor devlin]

Ray, check your PM box. I sent you some info.

[professor devlin]

Start with these guys. Tell them you have a neighbor who is dealing Meth, and tell them that your local constabulary was ineffectual or not interested in helping you.

http://www.atg.wa.gov/page.aspx?id=2396

[Neoproks]

I don't know why but this has somehow lit a burning fire in my heart. Ray, I think you should look into purchasing a firearm for protection, but try your best to keep your family safe. Man, I wish so much that I could help you, but what can a teenager do?

[Skycarl]

It's too bad that there's not a television station somewhere in your area that would have
an investigative team that is looking for a sensationalizing story. You never know what
those stations will turn up when they are looking for a story.

[Woodsman]

Man that sucks. The only other thing that I can think of is getting the local news involved. Other than that you are stuck with the other suggestions of Security systems and guns. I agree with the others, DO NOT do anything that could make it worse, and preferably don't do anything too stupid (not that I'd blame you if you did I just would rather you still be alive/ out of prison)

Good luck Ray.

[_ray_biddle_]

Thanks again! To all of you!

We're making progress! Will know a lot more come Monday.

[TreasureBox Films]

anything for the president!

[C2Films]

Just get them away from you. I live close enough that there could be a little fiery "accident" at their house, but I wouldn't be a suspect. You could take your family for a little vacation for the weekend, so you have an alibi, give me their adress, and when you get back, your problems will be solved.

But seriously, that sounds terrible. You should stock up on pepper spray and tazers.

[DOA Productions]

Can't you try and set something up where you get them selling meth on tape? That's cold hard evidence that these people are causing some serious shit, never mind the fact that what they're doing is ILLEGAL. If you're worried about these people finding out that it was you who submitted the tape, is there some way you can give it to every authority anonymously? You even said that there were like ten other families who have beef with these bitches, so how would they know it was you anyway?

As an alternative, is there some sort of Spokane mafia-like characters you can recruit?


I'm obviously joking. Unless of course you like the idea....

[_ray_biddle_]

I don't think me buying drugs from them would work as they won't deal with me. It's a great idea if I can find someone wiling to take that chance but aren't dealers kind of suspicious of new people suddenly showing up?

As for tomorrow:
My son has protection and we'll leave it a that.
We're fine, they saw me at the grocery store today and ran like the rats they are. They haven't came by my house at all (makes me cautious though) this weekend.

As for protecting ourselves, we have a massive collection of baseball bats, hockey sticks, interesting things to poke them with. I'm able to handle myself, as is my wife.

Interesting development today, the police have been by (that I saw personally) at least 8 times. They've actually been parked two houses away for a couple of hours. I'm not sure why.

[movieidiot]

Well, hope this gets straight! They do sound like rats! HA

[ds21]

I wouldn't be at all sorry if they got the snot beat out of them with a baseball bat. Even though that's not really moral...;)...

I hope things get better for you. If the police show up, grab your camera. You might film the next "don't taze me bro!".

hee hee
jk

[Woodsman]

Good luck Ray! But ds21 raised a good point, you should keep your camera close because if something does go down with the cops they don't sound like the people who would simply walk out with their hands up.

[CakedUp]

What are you going to do with a baseball bat? Hit a bullet outta left field? LOL...

Anyways, not sure if it has been mentioned but.....restraining order?

[Magical Monkey]

Hire a professional bodyguard.
Or moving sounds sensible if the situation get toatally outta hand, just move to the next state or a place which your job will allow.
I'd move. (if the situation did not improve)

[_ray_biddle_]

What are you going to do with a baseball bat? Hit a bullet outta left field? LOL...

Anyways, not sure if it has been mentioned but.....restraining order?

Trust me, I can things with a bat and a hockey stick that military cold adapt to save money on bullets.

Restraining order is being considered. From what we found out this morning on the adults involved criminal history, they'll violate it for sure.

Also based on who owns their house(tax records) this may be a solution.

[SyxxGage]

This may sound stupid, but have you tried contacting your local new agency? I dont know about in Washington, but over here on the east coast every news program seems to have one of those "Help me because no one else will" segments. They send out a reporter and cameraman(sometimes with law enforcement) to expose their activities on television. Publicity makes the law take more notice and that is followed by action.

[uzi1951]

Trust me, I can things with a bat and a hockey stick that military cold adapt to save money on bullets.

Restraining order is being considered. From what we found out this morning on the adults involved criminal history, they'll violate it for sure.

Also based on who owns their house(tax records) this may be a solution.


Good luck. There is enough stress in everyday life without this BS added.
I am sure the younger "Mogulers" mean well with their comments, but the ramifications have to be considered.

[pcgfilms]

i like the restraining order idea
and did you really get jumped? if so that sucks..
best wishes

p.s. i'd buy a gun

[Vaughn Whynot]

i like the restraining order idea
and did you really get jumped? if so that sucks..
best wishes

p.s. i'd buy a gun
that in no way will make this any better

[_ray_biddle_]

Update:
We're getting help. Using proper channels. No weapons are being used. Tomorrow the BS stops hopefully.

And I don't have to buy their house. Most importantly, it turns out we're not the only ones on their crap list. I have been asked not to post to much.

Again, we appreciate everything said in this thread.

I want you all to know how much me and my family appreciate you for the support.

[TreasureBox Films]

ya welcome mr. prez!

[speekerphone]

^you didn't do anything

[TreasureBox Films]

oh. now that you mention it.....
ummmm, maybe I was the comic relief?

[ciwi286]

Glad to hear Ray...update us when you can.

[Neoproks]

That is great news Ray! And, what ciwi said, keep us updated.

[Woodsman]

Update:
We're getting help. Using proper channels. No weapons are being used. Tomorrow the BS stops hopefully.

And I don't have to buy their house. Most importantly, it turns out we're not the only ones on their crap list. I have been asked not to post to much.

Again, we appreciate everything said in this thread.

I want you all to know how much me and my family appreciate you for the support.

Hey that's what a community is for right? Anyways glad to hear things are being wrapped up. Let us know more when/ if you can.

[Brainstrained]

oh. now that you mention it.....
ummmm, maybe I was the comic relief?

kill yourself.

[TreasureBox Films]

Done.

[The Elder Brain]

kill yourself.

I agree although not as harshly. The entire forum is weary of your persistent attempts at being funny. Put it to an end.

[Ladri.]

I agree although not as harshly. The entire forum is weary of your persistent attempts at being funny. Put it to an end.

+∞

[TreasureBox Films]

make me.

[The Elder Brain]

It is that kind of juvenile behavior that makes us look down on you in the first place. If you keep acting like a child, there will be consequences, if not from the mods, from us.

[TreasureBox Films]

The entire forum is weary of your persistent attempts at being funny.
you keep thinking that.
this happened about a month ago. they 'hated' me.
I slowed my useless comments.
you can tell me off you can tell me to die. but you can't stop me unless I get banned.
I wont get banned.
I'm relatively helpful most of the time and I don't make fun of anyone unless they say something really stupid.
I won't go. no matter how hard you if I'm banned I'll just make a new account.

[TreasureBox Films]

If you keep acting like a child, there will be consequences, if not from the mods, from us.
what are you going to do? make fun of me? I've been the oddball all my life. I'm used to it. Bring it.

Post 100.

[CakedUp]

what are you going to do? make fun of me? I've been the oddball all my life. I'm used to it. Bring it.

Post 100.

This type of mind set will get you no where fast. No agreeing with anyone because I havent seen much of you myself but...if you want to get anywhere in the world I would work on that.

Anyways, glad you are getting things worked out my friend. If they rent it should be easy enough.

[TreasureBox Films]

I'm 13. I'm immature. an idiot if you will. I do stupid things.

[PadawanGeek]

I'm 13. I'm immature. an idiot if you will. I do stupid things.

I'm the same age as you. Do I like like I'm acting like you?

[TreasureBox Films]

I'm stating facts about myself. not you.

[PadawanGeek]

I'm stating facts about myself. not you.

And I am stating that you should not use your age as an excuse for inappropriate behavior. Someone that is 13 should be able to act mature.

[TreasureBox Films]

I wasn't. It came out that way.
*sigh*
it seems that everyone hates me.

[TreasureBox Films]

I'm done now on this thread.

[Radstrike]

And I am stating that you should not use your age as an excuse for inappropriate behavior. Someone that is 13 should be able to act mature.

You both need to grow up. Stop arguing this point on this thread. It isn't about you. I would recommend both of you show your maturity and see who can be the bigger man by either apologizing or just not responding to the other's post.

[Woodsman]

^ Hey I've seen nothing but class from PadawanGeek

If I'm banned I'll just make a new account.

The mods can ban your IP address.

Also sorry for doing this in your thread Ray but I had to make those points.

[FreshMentos]

Great to here the good news Ray!

If everyone just ignores the troll here, he wouldn't be a problem. If he bothers you too much, get the mods.

[Radstrike]

^ Hey I've seen nothing but class from PadawanGeek

The mods can ban your IP address.

Also sorry for doing this in your thread Ray but I had to make those points.

Yeah, PadawanGeek has been pretty professional about the whole thing, I just think that it would be advisable to walk away.

Sorry this had to happen on your thread Ray, I'm really hoping things work out for you. Good luck!

[Magical Monkey]

too bad The Eldar Brain had to create a flame war.
But yeah, good luck Ray!
I agree although not as harshly. The entire forum is weary of your persistent attempts at being funny. Put it to an end.
Ignore him. Be mature about it, if your so on about Treasure Box being immature.

[The Elder Brain]

I'd have to disagree with you there. Perhaps your a bit biased since it's already been said your the same age?...

[Magical Monkey]

I'd have to disagree with you there. Perhaps your a bit biased since it's already been said your the same age?...
no. i'm younger. and i'm not biased. Just shut up or you'll create another flame war, okay?
Because this thread isn't about weather someone is being funny.

[sonnyfromda02]

Ray, I just saw this post since I haven't been on these forums too much lately, (sorry, new games have been coming out), but I'm glad that you are getting this issue resolved. Personally, I would have handled this legally, but in Texas, once the law is notified and does nothing to help you, things are in your hands. I had an incident once where I called the police, but the dispatcher said it was not important enough to get anyone out there. I mentioned that I'll call them back to pick up a body then, and before I could get off the phone, I had a beam of light from a police chopper on me and three squad cars pulled up to find out what happened. They made me put away my machete, and went and caught the people I called in about. Being in the area I was in may have played a big part of them taking my threat seriously though. Keep us updated with what you can and when you can. Good luck Ray.

[Scott]

Ray, I just saw this post since I haven't been on these forums too much lately, (sorry, new games have been coming out), but I'm glad that you are getting this issue resolved. Personally, I would have handled this legally, but in Texas, once the law is notified and does nothing to help you, things are in your hands. I had an incident once where I called the police, but the dispatcher said it was not important enough to get anyone out there. I mentioned that I'll call them back to pick up a body then, and before I could get off the phone, I had a beam of light from a police chopper on me and three squad cars pulled up to find out what happened. They made me put away my machete, and went and caught the people I called in about. Being in the area I was in may have played a big part of them taking my threat seriously though. Keep us updated with what you can and when you can. Good luck Ray.

Texas keeps sounding better and better.

I'm tempted to move there.

[The Elder Brain]

no. i'm younger. and i'm not biased. Just shut up or you'll create another flame war, okay?
Because this thread isn't about weather someone is being funny.

You obviously do not know what a "Flame war" entails, but I can assure you, by being so aggresive you are starting one. Let us put this to an end.

[ds21]

Ok, how about you just shut up, please? There's no reason to be having this sort of discussion on Ray's thread. Your little 13 year old attempts at one-upping are really atarting to annoy. If you really want to do this, create a different thread, ok?

[instantkult]

Update:
We're getting help. Using proper channels. No weapons are being used. Tomorrow the BS stops hopefully.

And I don't have to buy their house.

Glad to hear things are looking up.

Too bad about the house, though. Couldn't hurt to have a rental with the way the economy's looking. Of course it probably wouldn't be worth the work it would need if they've been cooking there.

[The Elder Brain]

Ok, how about you just shut up, please? There's no reason to be having this sort of discussion on Ray's thread. Your little 13 year old attempts at one-upping are really atarting to annoy. If you really want to do this, create a different thread, ok?

Was that directed toward me or TreasureBox? If I came off as picking a fight, I assure you that was not my intention

[PadawanGeek]

So has all of the junk stopped? 'tis Tuesday.

[punkandska66]

You spelled "it is" wrong... Poopoohead!








...Apparently, it hasn't stopped.

[_ray_biddle_]

Further update:
I met with school officials and Zach's protected. The bus stop is being monitored and Kirsten feels safe.

The family has been barred from any school activities.

Nobodies has threatened us and the police still come by.

Things seem quiet and I like it that way.

Sorry I didn't post until now, once the flame war started in here I figured I had two options, ignore the flame stuff or close the thread. I chose to ignore the flame war.

[ciwi286]

Great news Ray. I hope for your families sake things stay quiet.

[Woodsman]

Yeah that's great news!

[speekerphone]

That is GREAT News! I hope the future goes well for you and your family!

[_ray_biddle_]

Thanks Everyone.

[Magical Monkey]

Further update:
I met with school officials and Zach's protected. The bus stop is being monitored and Kirsten feels safe.

The family has been barred from any school activities.

Nobodies has threatened us and the police still come by.

Things seem quiet and I like it that way.

Sorry I didn't post until now, once the flame war started in here I figured I had two options, ignore the flame stuff or close the thread. I chose to ignore the flame war.
Thats great! :)

[WesScog]

Good news, don't hope to jinx it friend (knocking on wood as we type.) but I hope things continue to stabilize.

[greyroompictures]

Nice one Ray. I'm really glad thst things have stabilised. I hope it continues to head in the right direction.
No doubt Tony would tell you that you have been 'dealing the healing'... ;)

[Patuman]

I hope that this good turn will keep getting better and better until you have no problem with them anymore. Great news, Ray!

Keep your head cool. :)

[pcgfilms]

me too! good luck ray!

[ironman052992]

http://www.empiredefense.com/Bullet-Proof-Armor/Armor-Combo-Tactical-Armor-Combo.html

the rest is up to the good ol' folks at the walmart hunting department

[myfaultstudios]

We hope for the best!

~My Fault Studios

[_ray_biddle_]

Best possible NEWS!!!!

It appears as if the whole group is moving! Right after Thanksgiving!

[Patuman]

Best possible NEWS!!!!

It appears as if the whole group is moving! Right after Thanksgiving!

That's awesome Ray, glad to hear it!

[SyxxGage]

I know what you're thankful for then

[Pablo585]

WOW! Lucky you that their moving!

[_ray_biddle_]

Yes! Very Thankful.

[drweir]

They aren't moving into my neighborhood, are they?

[greyroompictures]

That's great news Ray.

[Woodsman]

That's great Ray! Any idea who/ what made them move?

[Nonsensical studios]

I have an idea...

http://www.redfuzzyjesus.com/photos/kitties_are_fun/kitty_with_a_gun.JPG

[_ray_biddle_]

They aren't moving into my neighborhood, are they?

Frieends shouldn't lie to each other so i won't answer.


The word we got is 30 minutes away in Idaho.

[_ray_biddle_]

That's great Ray! Any idea who/ what made them move?

All we heard was they're moving. The reason didn't seem important.

[Radstrike]

Congratulations, Ray. I'm glad it worked out for you. You'll have something extra-special to be happy about this Thanksgiving.

[Producer 9]

so glad that worked out for you Ray, i'm 13, but things in my town got like that once, usually my town is pretty peaceful.
idk what i would ever do if someone in my family got hurt by a family like that

[Indymoguler]

go move. seriously if you and your family is in danger. move. and i cant believe the police would act like that. my parents and the police department (my parents are cops) would do a lot more than what they have done for you...

[Vaughn Whynot]

go move. seriously if you and your family is in danger. move. and i cant believe the police would act like that. my parents and the police department (my parents are cops) would do a lot more than what they have done for you...
did you even read the whole thread
everything is fine now