Which camera? I just can't decide

[brasseagle6]

hey,

I would like to get a good cam. I like cannon the best but i am open.

i like the gl2 but not sure i would be happy without high def.

which would the majority recomend not sure if money is as big a concern. but if the difference in a 800 and a 3000 dollar cam is not very big then i will go cheaper.

my thoughts were:
1 hv20 or 30 since they have the 24p
2 gl2 (but i lack hd)
3 xha1 ($$$$)
4 hg10

but like i said i am open to ideas

uses---documentaries, vacation, children movies, movies with friends, just about anything

thanks

[Vaughn Whynot]

you should check out the camera guide
and should of asked this question there
http://forum.indymogul.com/showthread.php?t=7166

[evmo]

if you do get the gl2 one thong is you'll look sorta funny on vacation with this huge camera compared to somthing smaller wait a sec. sory i was thinking the xl2 my bad

[WesScog]

HV30 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/539289-REG/Canon_2680B001_VIXIA_HV30_HDV_Camcorder.html) - Approx. $539:
http://www.vimeo.com/1154024 (35mm Adapter)
http://www.vimeo.com/895240
http://www.vimeo.com/930740
http://www.vimeo.com/1454421
http://www.vimeo.com/1464926
http://www.vimeo.com/1434906 (Color Correction)
http://www.vimeo.com/1421891

And here is a video that I think just looks truly amazing, it was shot with the HV20, but the HV30 and 20 are identical except the HV30 is black, and has a 30P mode, so you can still compare them:
http://www.vimeo.com/1737450

GL2 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/255811-REG/Canon_7920A001_GL2_Mini_DV_3CCD.html) - Approx. $1,899:
http://www.vimeo.com/845723
http://www.vimeo.com/2013139
http://www.vimeo.com/2614413
http://www.vimeo.com/2434911
http://www.vimeo.com/2199963
http://www.vimeo.com/703423
http://www.vimeo.com/873499

XHA1 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/447098-REG/Canon_1191B001_XH_A1_3CCD_HDV_Camcorder.html) Approx - $2999:
http://www.vimeo.com/2549796
http://www.vimeo.com/2603792
http://www.vimeo.com/2459626
http://www.vimeo.com/1122630
http://www.vimeo.com/982093
http://www.vimeo.com/846830
http://www.vimeo.com/1691883

HV30 vs. XHA1 (http://www.vimeo.com/902099)

HG10 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/516695-REG/Canon_2183B001_VIXIA_HG10_HD_AVCHD.html) - Approx. $499:
http://www.vimeo.com/1379599
http://www.vimeo.com/1348220
http://www.vimeo.com/699937
http://www.vimeo.com/1133479
http://www.vimeo.com/776063
http://www.vimeo.com/444619
http://www.vimeo.com/692125 (Cinemode + 35mm + Color Correction)
http://www.vimeo.com/732883

[Fluppeteer]

I need a camera that shoots in HD, has high quality, preferrably under $250. Could you recommend some?

[WesScog]

No camera fits those criteria. You don't get high quality (real) HD for under $250.

There are Aiptek cameras that shoot "HD" for under 250, BUT there is terrible jello wobbly in the images, and it isn't "true" HD, it just does upressing in the camera.

[Fluppeteer]

What will 400-300 get me?

(EDIT) Are Handycams any good? What was the camera that Steve refered to as "a mini DVX100"

[WesScog]

What will 400-300 get me?

(EDIT) Are Handycams any good? What was the camera that Steve refered to as "a mini DVX100"

Here are the best HD cams for under or around $400 that I could find (These are not from best to worst, just in the order I looked them up):

DXG-595V (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/555313-REG/DXG_DXG_595V_DXG_595V_32MB_Flash_Memory.html) - Approx. $189:
http://www.vimeo.com/1523724
http://www.vimeo.com/1495015
http://www.vimeo.com/1495076
http://www.vimeo.com/1495104
http://www.vimeo.com/1500706
http://www.vimeo.com/2492318
http://www.vimeo.com/2221162

Sanyo Xacti HD-700 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/528987-REG/Sanyo_VPC_HD700BR_Xacti_HD_700BR_High_Definition.h tml) - Approx. $289:
http://www.vimeo.com/424532
http://www.vimeo.com/1000914
http://www.vimeo.com/846284
http://www.vimeo.com/1713965
http://www.vimeo.com/349056
http://www.vimeo.com/1547457
http://www.vimeo.com/424556

Sony HDR-UX5 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/475462-REG/Sony_HDRUX5_HDR_UX5_AVC_HD_DVD.html) - Approx. $364:
http://www.vimeo.com/2367664
http://www.vimeo.com/2574392
http://www.vimeo.com/2641436
http://www.vimeo.com/973340
http://www.vimeo.com/681084
http://www.vimeo.com/1439682

Aiptek Action HD GVS (http://www.amazon.com/Aiptek-Action-HD-GVS-Definition/dp/B001GXR03U) - $235:
http://www.vimeo.com/2578617
http://www.vimeo.com/2540383
http://www.vimeo.com/2481400
http://www.vimeo.com/2510858
http://www.vimeo.com/2591103
http://www.vimeo.com/2591408

Now compare these to the HV30 that is going for $539, and I think the HV30 DEFINITELY wins out. BUT, if you're really on a budget, these will work, but to minimize skew (how everything looks like it's made out of Jello when you pan really quickly) you're going to have to do a lot of scenes with it just on the tripod.

[barrett]

I wouyld get the gl2 personalyy its a good camera all around!

[Fluppeteer]

Here are the best HD cams for under or around $400 that I could find (These are not from best to worst, just in the order I looked them up):

DXG-595V (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/555313-REG/DXG_DXG_595V_DXG_595V_32MB_Flash_Memory.html) - Approx. $189:
http://www.vimeo.com/1523724
http://www.vimeo.com/1495015
http://www.vimeo.com/1495076
http://www.vimeo.com/1495104
http://www.vimeo.com/1500706
http://www.vimeo.com/2492318
http://www.vimeo.com/2221162

Sanyo Xacti HD-700 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/528987-REG/Sanyo_VPC_HD700BR_Xacti_HD_700BR_High_Definition.h tml) - Approx. $289:
http://www.vimeo.com/424532
http://www.vimeo.com/1000914
http://www.vimeo.com/846284
http://www.vimeo.com/1713965
http://www.vimeo.com/349056
http://www.vimeo.com/1547457
http://www.vimeo.com/424556

Sony HDR-UX5 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/475462-REG/Sony_HDRUX5_HDR_UX5_AVC_HD_DVD.html) - Approx. $364:
http://www.vimeo.com/2367664
http://www.vimeo.com/2574392
http://www.vimeo.com/2641436
http://www.vimeo.com/973340
http://www.vimeo.com/681084
http://www.vimeo.com/1439682

Aiptek Action HD GVS (http://www.amazon.com/Aiptek-Action-HD-GVS-Definition/dp/B001GXR03U) - $235:
http://www.vimeo.com/2578617
http://www.vimeo.com/2540383
http://www.vimeo.com/2481400
http://www.vimeo.com/2510858
http://www.vimeo.com/2591103
http://www.vimeo.com/2591408

Now compare these to the HV30 that is going for $539, and I think the HV30 DEFINITELY wins out. BUT, if you're really on a budget, these will work, but to minimize skew (how everything looks like it's made out of Jello when you pan really quickly) you're going to have to do a lot of scenes with it just on the tripod.

Thanks, WesScog! :) Your expertise is really helping me.

[WesScog]

While the GL2 is by no means a bad camera, it is way over priced and woefully outgunned in todays market.

For the $1,900 that the GL2 goes for, you could get an HV30, a 35mm adapter, and a shotgun mic, thus getting all of the capabilities of the GL2, and then some, for actually less.

The GL2 is a fine camera for sure, but it's WAY WAY overpriced for what you're getting.

[Fluppeteer]

While the GL2 is by no means a bad camera, it is way over priced and woefully outgunned in todays market.

For the $1,900 that the GL2 goes for, you could get an HV30, a 35mm adapter, and a shotgun mic, thus getting all of the capabilities of the GL2, and then some, for actually less.

The GL2 is a fine camera for sure, but it's WAY WAY overpriced for what you're getting.
What do you think of the hv20 and hv10? What's the difference between those and an hv30? Plus, just out of curiousity, what editing software do you use? I use Sony Vegas and it's great. My camera's picture doesn't loose quality when I import it into vegas.

[WesScog]

The HV10 is overpriced, and obsolete.

The ONLY difference between the HV20 and HV30 is that the HV30 is black instead of silver, and it has a 30P mode, (and I believe it had a better zoom toggle).

Also, the HV20 has been discontinued, so you can't find one NEW for under $800+, (as has the HV10, which I couldn't find new for under $1000), while the HV30 can be found new for $530 or so.

So the HV30 is the best bet, cheaper price for a superior camera.

[Fluppeteer]

The HV10 is overpriced, and obsolete.

The ONLY difference between the HV20 and HV30 is that the HV30 is black instead of silver, and it has a 30P mode, (and I believe it had a better zoom toggle).

Also, the HV20 has been discontinued, so you can't find one NEW for under $800+, (as has the HV10, which I couldn't find new for under $1000), while the HV30 can be found new for $530 or so.

So the HV30 is the best bet, cheaper price for a superior camera.
I still think I heard Steve once say on Q and Erik live that some camera was like "a mini DVX100" Is the dvx100 good? I've also been hearing about this expensive camera called the "red camera".

(edit) Red Cameras seem overpriced. I checked out the ZR950 from canon. It looks shaky (on vimeo), or maybe the person was holding shaky. And theres no mic input.

[WesScog]

I don't recall the camera off the top of my head, he may have been talking about the HV20.

The DVX100 is an EXCELLENT camera, check out the examples I posted earlier in the thread.

The Red Camera is NOT overpriced, the Red Camera is VERY expensive (for most people) but for what you're getting, it's about a quarter of the price of the closest competition.

The Red Camera shoots an image that is practically indistinguishable from 35mm film for only about 20,000 to BUY (not to rent). While some of it's closest competitors can cost upwards of 100,000 to 300,000 dollars, and aren't available to consumers (The Red Camera is available to Consumers, you can order it off of their website, and they send it to you in the mail.) For what you get out of it the Red is UNDERPRICED.

http://forum.indymogul.com/showthread.php?t=7166

Talks about the ZR series a bit, for the sub-300 market it seems to be the camera that alot of people use here.

[Ceb18]

While the GL2 is by no means a bad camera, it is way over priced and woefully outgunned in todays market.

For the $1,900 that the GL2 goes for, you could get an HV30, a 35mm adapter, and a shotgun mic, thus getting all of the capabilities of the GL2, and then some, for actually less.

The GL2 is a fine camera for sure, but it's WAY WAY overpriced for what you're getting.

yeah, i have to admit, it usually is overpriced, but i got mine on ebay for $1400 and it came with a metal case, two extra lenses, the AV cables (obviously) 2 extra batteries and a third party battery charger. Pretty good deal

[WesScog]

DVX100 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/406876-REG/Panasonic_DVX100BSC_AG_DVX100BQ_3_CCD_24p_Mini_DV. html) - Approx. $2400:
http://www.vimeo.com/1461330
http://www.vimeo.com/2459601
http://www.vimeo.com/2455125
http://www.vimeo.com/2259595
http://www.vimeo.com/1565641
http://www.vimeo.com/779921

I just realize that I posted the DVX example in another thread, not in this one, sorry.

Here is the DVX examples.

[brasseagle6]

ok all that has been said is great.

My budget is less than 3000 so it sounds like my best bet is the hv30.

so is the hv30 as good as say the xha1---features and quality comparable?


thanks wveryone

[WesScog]

http://www.vimeo.com/902099 - Here is the comparison I posted earlier, with the HV and XH footage cut into the same frame.

http://www.vimeo.com/1122630
http://www.vimeo.com/1154024

Here is a HV and a XH thrown against one another, with a 35mm lenson both, shot in the same alley, under what looks like very similar lighting conditions, filming many of the same scenes.

They don't have the same capabilities, the XHA1 has more manual controls, and it has a better on-board mic, and built in XLR inputs for direct hookup with a professional mic.

BUT, for the almost 2500 you'd save, you can buy support rails, a shoulder rest, a 35mm adapter, an adapter that'll add XLR hookups to your camera, AND a quality boom mic.

So you can have almost all of the same capabilities of the XHA1, for several hundred dollars less.

[Fluppeteer]

I may end up getting an HG10. Is an HG10 good?

(EDIT) Wal-Mart sells the hg10 for about 800 I think.

[WesScog]

HG10 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/516695-REG/Canon_2183B001_VIXIA_HG10_HD_AVCHD.html) - Approx. $499:
http://www.vimeo.com/1379599
http://www.vimeo.com/1348220
http://www.vimeo.com/699937
http://www.vimeo.com/1133479
http://www.vimeo.com/776063
http://www.vimeo.com/444619
http://www.vimeo.com/692125 (Cinemode + 35mm + Color Correction)
http://www.vimeo.com/732883

Posted the HG10 example earlier in the thread, you tell me if it looks good.

[brasseagle6]

i would like the manual features not sure i want the extra 2500. both looked good on my computer monitor.

does cannon or someone make a hard drive cam comperable to the hv30, xha1

i bought a mg21u jvc and took it back cause it was super grainy.

[WesScog]

The HG20 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/576009-REG/Canon_3085B001_VIXIA_HG20_AVCHD_Hard.html), same price as the HV30:
http://www.vimeo.com/1848515
http://www.vimeo.com/1938339
http://www.vimeo.com/2624832
http://www.vimeo.com/2632532
http://www.vimeo.com/1941950
http://www.vimeo.com/1958837

The HF series is basically the same as the HV, except it's Flash card based, the HG is basically the same as the HV except Harddrive based. The HV, HF, and HG are all generally based around the same internal works, just different media capture outputs.

For the XHA1, there are media capture harddrives that can interface with the camera and that allow you to capture directly to a harddrive, rather than to the tape deck.

[brasseagle6]

thanks

i like the hv30 is the video quality and features the same on the card and hdd models?


would you recommend tape or the other or are they equal. I dont wanna wear out my heads trying to upload and such.

can the hv30 have an external harddrive hooked on to record at time of taping.

[brasseagle6]

you guys rock!!!!!!

thanks especially to you for your help wes sorry to keep buggin yall

[WesScog]

would you recommend tape or the other or are they equal. I dont wanna wear out my heads trying to upload and such.

can the hv30 have an external harddrive hooked on to record at time of taping.

Well Harddrive and Flash Cards are a bit more convenient (to me). BUT, they tend to have a slightly higher compression (thus the potential for more artifacts).

The AVCHD or MP4 codec that many of the Flash or Harddrive cameras use is a higher compression, but it's also higher efficiency, so it won't necessarily be worse under every circumstances, but it can cause trouble with a lot of data in the frame.

If you're worried about wearing out your head, I would get a camera just dedicated to capture, or even a capture deck if you wanted to go all out.

As far as features are concerned, they all come with more or less identical features.

And yes, you can capture from the HV30 with a Harddrive...

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/shop/10042/Portable_Monitors_Recorders_Hard_Disk_Solid_State_ Recorders.html

There are lots of external recorders that you can hook up to the HV30's HDMI output and capture directly to it instead of tape.

[poolboyfilms]

I really want a new prosumer camera...but I have no idea what to get at this point.

I have shot a short with the hv30 and thought it was great, but I think I would like something more prosumer than that.

[Fluppeteer]

I really want a new prosumer camera...but I have no idea what to get at this point.

I have shot a short with the hv30 and thought it was great, but I think I would like something more prosumer than that.
GL2?

[poolboyfilms]

They said the GL2 is overpriced in todays market.

[Ceb18]

Ebay ;)

I got mine for 1300 with two extra lenses, an all metal case, two extra batteries and a nice battery charger, and of course AV cables and crap

[Fluppeteer]

I use a Flip Point and Shoot camera. Its great quality for something of the size, but I'm pretty sure it's dirt-cheap. Let that be a lesson to you: Just because it's cheap doesn't mean its a crap camera.

[Vaughn Whynot]

I use a Flip Point and Shoot camera. Its great quality for something of the size, but I'm pretty sure it's dirt-cheap. Let that be a lesson to you: Just because it's cheap doesn't mean its a crap camera.
no being a flip makes it a crap camera
you want a camera that can have accessories and the proper inputs

[Fluppeteer]

no being a flip makes it a crap camera
you want a camera that can have accessories and the proper inputs
Actually, its a puredigital (are flips and puredigitals the same thing? I don't know) And they have a new flip that shoots in HD. Maybe it's not really HD, more like an Aiptek.

[Vaughn Whynot]

Actually, its a puredigital (are flips and puredigitals the same thing? I don't know) And they have a new flip that shoots in HD. Maybe it's not really HD, more like an Aiptek.
i know what camera you have
but to take filming seriously
your going to need a camera that can fit your needs down the road (mic inputs,lens & adaptor threads)
and your flip does not have any of these
they are a vacation camera

[Fluppeteer]

i know what camera you have
but to take filming seriously
your going to need a camera that can fit your needs down the road (mic inputs,lens & adaptor threads)
and your flip does not have any of these
they are a vacation camera
I know. I'm going to have to take my filmmaking more seriously. I was considering an HG10 or some kind of Handycam.

[Vaughn Whynot]

I know. I'm going to have to take my filmmaking more seriously. I was considering an HG10 or some kind of Handycam.
i love my handycam
but there are alot of film makers here that want to make filming there life career
i doing it as a hobby
so i just needed something simple to do that

[sonnyfromda02]

What do you think of the hv20 and hv10? What's the difference between those and an hv30? Plus, just out of curiousity, what editing software do you use? I use Sony Vegas and it's great. My camera's picture doesn't loose quality when I import it into vegas.

Be careful buying the new HDD cameras. I use Vegas MSP 8 and I have a JVC Everio GZ-HD40 which can capture as MPEG-2 or AVCHD, but Vegas MSP 8 won't recognize AVCHD from my camera. I believe it will only recognize AVCHD from Sony cameras.

[Fluppeteer]

i love my handycam
but there are alot of film makers here that want to make filming there life career
i doing it as a hobby
so i just needed something simple to do that
What model Handycam do you recommend for the hobbyist filmmaker?

[Vaughn Whynot]

What model Handycam do you recommend for the hobbyist filmmaker?
i am looking to upgrading mine to a Sony Handycam DCR-HC30 Mini DV Camcorder
i think it has a input for a mic

[Fluppeteer]

i am looking to upgrading mine to a Sony Handycam DCR-HC30 Mini DV Camcorder
i think it has a input for a mic
Is that new? I searched Sony.com I got no results.

(edit) Now I see it. I think I forgot the C in HC-30.

(edit) Does the DCR-HC52 have mic input?

[Vaughn Whynot]

no the dcrhc52 does not
thats i one i own now
its have a pretty good mic already
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=h_BJAXPOLJo
here is a skate clip i filmed
its crappy looking because i was using WMM
but it would of been better to have a mic input

[Fluppeteer]

I don't recall the camera off the top of my head, he may have been talking about the HV20.

The DVX100 is an EXCELLENT camera, check out the examples I posted earlier in the thread.

The Red Camera is NOT overpriced, the Red Camera is VERY expensive (for most people) but for what you're getting, it's about a quarter of the price of the closest competition.

The Red Camera shoots an image that is practically indistinguishable from 35mm film for only about 20,000 to BUY (not to rent). While some of it's closest competitors can cost upwards of 100,000 to 300,000 dollars, and aren't available to consumers (The Red Camera is available to Consumers, you can order it off of their website, and they send it to you in the mail.) For what you get out of it the Red is UNDERPRICED.

http://forum.indymogul.com/showthread.php?t=7166

Talks about the ZR series a bit, for the sub-300 market it seems to be the camera that alot of people use here.
What do you think of the Handycam, Wes?

[brasseagle6]

if i had taped on an hv30, could i use a cheapo mini dv cam to upload to the computer to save the heads some work?

with the cannon hdd are the odds of getting bad (artifacts) film low or kinda high?

i like the not having to buy tapes and sd cards can go straight into my computer.

Wes, if you were buying one which would you buy?


thanks

[Vaughn Whynot]

the tapes are cheap...
man alot of new users can grasp the idea of filming with minidv because they are lazy
lol
with the tapes you also have a back of your footage
if you have a hdd or sd camera and something happens that you lose all of your footage (formating hard drive, or corruption of the card"
you got to do it all over again

[Fluppeteer]

the tapes are cheap...
man alot of new users can grasp the idea of filming with minidv because they are lazy
lol
with the tapes you also have a back of your footage
if you have a hdd or sd camera and something happens that you lose all of your footage (formating hard drive, or corruption of the card"
you got to do it all over again
I just want a camera that I can just take a usb cable and upload all my videos onto my comp. I hate capturing with my comp. Wireless is the way to go. That's why I love my Flip. The flip has a usb plug puilt in.

[Vaughn Whynot]

I just want a camera that I can just take a usb cable and upload all my videos onto my comp. I hate capturing with my comp. Wireless is the way to go. That's why I love my Flip. The flip has a usb plug puilt in.
flips are useless like i stated before
most windows xp/vista once you plug your camera in via firewire
it asks you what you want to do
then you just import it how ever you want
its the same as a usb with better quality

[Fluppeteer]

flips are useless like i stated before
most windows xp/vista once you plug your camera in via firewire
it asks you what you want to do
then you just import it how ever you want
its the same as a usb with better quality
Does the handycam have a firewire port? Do you have to buy an adapter to do firewires on Windows OS?

[Vaughn Whynot]

Does the handycam have a firewire port? Do you have to buy an adapter to do firewires on Windows OS?
no mini dv cameras have a firewire port already built into them
you just got to make sure your laptop/desktop does

[Fluppeteer]

no mini dv cameras have a firewire port already built into them
you just got to make sure your laptop/desktop does
Does the Handycam have a usb port in it? I'm not sure my comp has a firewire port and I really don't want to buy an adapter. I want to use firewire, but I don't know if I can.

[Vaughn Whynot]

no
....usb can't handle the video from a tape
....
adaptors for firewires are like 10 to 25 bucks
more info here
http://forum.indymogul.com/showthread.php?t=14149

[WesScog]

What do you think of the Handycam, Wes?

Depends on the Handycam, Handycam is an entire class of Sony cameras.

I believe Sony's HDR-SR# line is all Handycam, and I own the SR1, and it's a good camera.

Although the HV line (to me) seems to be cheaper and better.

[Fluppeteer]

Depends on the Handycam, Handycam is an entire class of Sony cameras.

I believe Sony's HDR-SR# line is all Handycam, and I own the SR1, and it's a good camera.

Although the HV line (to me) seems to be cheaper and better.
How about the DCR line? I'm thinking of getting a DCR Handycam camera rather than a HG10.

[Word of the Day]

I personally owned and sold all of the cameras in the first post and the gl2 has the most bang for your $$$

[WesScog]

if i had taped on an hv30, could i use a cheapo mini dv cam to upload to the computer to save the heads some work?

with the cannon hdd are the odds of getting bad (artifacts) film low or kinda high?

i like the not having to buy tapes and sd cards can go straight into my computer.

Wes, if you were buying one which would you buy?


thanks

Well I posted examples from the Flash, the HDD, and the tape versions, you can see the quality it outputs from each one.

Personally, I don't see a lot of difference, but the tape still offers certain advantages under the widest margin of circumstances (this isn't fact, this is just my unscientific perception after looking at the examples.)

[WesScog]

I personally owned and sold all of the cameras in the first post and the gl2 has the most bang for your $$$

I'm sorry to say this, and I don't want to challenge you, but personally, I couldn't disagree more.

The GL2 is WOEFULLY overpriced for the video quality, and if you want a good SD camera, you can get the DVX for just a few hundred dollars more.

Like I said, for the same price as the GL2, you could get a HV30, a 35mm adapter, and a Shotgun mic.

If you're talking about "Bang for your buck", I think the HV30 is by far the winner. For quality versus cost, it has everything else beat.

[WesScog]

How about the DCR line? I'm thinking of getting a DCR Handycam camera rather than a HG10.

Which one?

[Fluppeteer]

Which one?
The DCR-HC62 seems good...how about the DCR-HC30? I couldn't find much info on that.

[sonnyfromda02]

no
....usb can't handle the video from a tape
....
adaptors for firewires are like 10 to 25 bucks
more info here
http://forum.indymogul.com/showthread.php?t=14149

USB can handle it.....it just looks like doo doo.

[WesScog]

The DCR-HC62 seems good...how about the DCR-HC30? I couldn't find much info on that.

DCR-HC62 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/537997-REG/Sony_DCR_HC62_DCR_HC62_MiniDV_Camcorder.html) - Approx. $266:
http://www.vimeo.com/1881121

Here is the only example i've been able to find so far. Honestly not that impressed by it.

[Fluppeteer]

DCR-HC62 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/537997-REG/Sony_DCR_HC62_DCR_HC62_MiniDV_Camcorder.html) - Approx. $266:
http://www.vimeo.com/1881121

Here is the only example i've been able to find so far. Honestly not that impressed by it.
Yeah, the picture quality isn't that great. If the music that was playing was recorded by the DCR-HC62, then I would have been really amazed, but it was probably added in later.

[Vaughn Whynot]

Yeah, the picture quality isn't that great. If the music that was playing was recorded by the DCR-HC62, then I would have been really amazed, but it was probably added in later.
thats the thing
most people record audio from a extenal mic
in which you would want a camera with a mic input

[Fluppeteer]

It would look bad If I did that for dialouge. If I just lip sync all the dialouge, record it later, than add it in, the audio probably would be way off from the video. In other words, Not Synced Up.

[WesScog]

No, you don't lip sync it.

You get the people to do the scene as planned, but you record it at the same time with an extenal mic, so you have a better audio track.

You record the audio and the image at the same time.

[Vaughn Whynot]

It would look bad If I did that for dialouge. If I just lip sync all the dialouge, record it later, than add it in, the audio probably would be way off from the video. In other words, Not Synced Up.
yeah that does look bad
and is only good for machinima and cartoons
i not telling you what to buy
just make sure it has a mic input
i learning from my mistake
and would hate to see someone else throw money on a camera that could not be adapted to there needs
No, you don't lip sync it.

You get the people to do the scene as planned, but you record it at the same time with an extenal mic, so you have a better audio track.

You record the audio and the image at the same time.
yeah with a external recorder
like a sony minidisc recorder
http://www.alanhames.co.uk/Images/REC-MD.jpg

[Fluppeteer]

No, you don't lip sync it.

You get the people to do the scene as planned, but you record it at the same time with an extenal mic, so you have a better audio track.

You record the audio and the image at the same time.
That's a relief. Plus, it would be pretty creepy if someone caught you filming yourself having a lip sync conversation.

[Vaughn Whynot]

That's a relief. Plus, it would be pretty creepy if someone caught you filming yourself having a lip sync conversation. Also, check out the film school guide I made. http://forum.indymogul.com/showthread.php?t=19157
not to sound like a dick
but why did you drop your other thread link
it does not even have to do with this thread of yours
lol

[Fluppeteer]

not to sound like a dick
but why did you drop your other thread link
it does not even have to do with this thread of yours
lol
I'll take that link out.

[WesScog]

That's a relief. Plus, it would be pretty creepy if someone caught you filming yourself having a lip sync conversation.


I mean, if the external mic isn't hooked into your camera and you're using an external sound recorder as well as an external mic, you will have to match up the audio in post.

But that's what Clapper boards are for.

[Fluppeteer]

I mean, if the external mic isn't hooked into your camera and you're using an external sound recorder as well as an external mic, you will have to match up the audio in post.

But that's what Clapper boards are for.
Clapper boards are also for looking cool when you shoot the movie. Like in the old intros for Indy Mogul they have clapperboards.

[Vaughn Whynot]

Clapper boards are also for looking cool when you shoot the movie. Like in the old intros for Indy Mogul they have clapperboards.
no they are for syncing your audio
I mean, if the external mic isn't hooked into your camera and you're using an external sound recorder as well as an external mic, you will have to match up the audio in post.

But that's what Clapper boards are for.
like wes said

your in the wrong hobby if your looking for cool trends my friend

[Fluppeteer]

no they are for syncing your audio

like wes said
They're versatile. If I make a movie without a clapperboard, not only do I not know if my audio is synced up, I don't seem cool because I can't make that cool clapperboard noise.

[Vaughn Whynot]

They're versatile. If I make a movie without a clapperboard, not only do I not know if my audio is synced up, I don't seem cool because I can't make that cool clapperboard noise.
most people clap

[Fluppeteer]

most people clap
I'm talking about the pro clapperboards. See this picture http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/clapperboard.jpg

[Vaughn Whynot]

I'm talking about the pro clapperboards. See this picture http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/clapperboard.jpg
like i said
most people clap...saves money

[Fluppeteer]

like i said
most people clap...saves money
Then it's not a clapperboard. It's a clapper...hand. A clapperhand. But if it saves money, then I guess clapperhands are cool.

[brasseagle6]

how much space will minidv tapes take up on my computer when i upload them?

if i got one of the canon hg models will artifacts show up a lot?

how much would i have to use my cam for the heads to wear out--thousands of tapes or hundreds?

i am really leaning to the hv30 but i still have the hdd in the back of my mind.

could i get one of or make a zoom control for the hv30 to mount on my tripod like i have seen for some of the prosumers?

what is the 35mm adapter and what basically is it for?

thanks


thanks guys your all really helpful.

[NerdWithNoLife]

Clapperboards can also have black white and grey that's half way between. This is great for color correction because then you can tell the software what to treat as pure black, pure white, and halfway in between, making your shots more consistent.

Also if you don't clap, you can use the temporary audio from the camera to line it up. Drag the track with your good audio until it doesn't echo with the camera's, then mute the temp track.

[woodentoe]

Also if you don't clap, you can use the temporary audio from the camera to line it up. Drag the track with your good audio until it doesn't echo with the camera's, then mute the temp track.

I'm forced to use this technique frequently in live event and reality tv work. when shooting multi camera stuff, there a bunch of ways you can lose sync.

if the cameras being used don't have preset rec-run timecode, and you have to rely on claps or slates or flashers to set sync, it is inevitable that some clown will stop and start his camera, thus eliminating your sync in the edit.

In these cases, I'll line up all the sources on a timeline and lay them on tops of each other. then, I'll nudge them until the audio doesn't echo anymore

[WesScog]

how much space will minidv tapes take up on my computer when i upload them?

Depends on the bitrate of the video. Videos with higher bitrates will take up more space. HD video will generally take up far more space than SD video, but you also want to take Compression into consideration.

Different codecs could take up different amount of space.

Usually when I capture video from my SD MiniDV cam, the raw footage would take up a few gigabytes, but that's like 20-30 minutes of footage.

if i got one of the canon hg models will artifacts show up a lot?

Depends on how you use it. Doing a lot of Handheld stuff, running around with a lot of stuff happening in the frame, generally artifacts will occur more often in the footage.

But it isn't something unique to the HG, artifacts tend to show up in any digital recording medium when things change in the frame a lot.

how much would i have to use my cam for the heads to wear out--thousands of tapes or hundreds?

Several Hundred sounds about right. But you can double the life of your camera by having a dedicated capture deck, and cleaning both your camera and capture deck regularly with a cleaning tape.

i am really leaning to the hv30 but i still have the hdd in the back of my mind.

could i get one of or make a zoom control for the hv30 to mount on my tripod like i have seen for some of the prosumers?

I believe you could definitely do that.

what is the 35mm adapter and what basically is it for?

A 35mm Adapter, is a device that attaches to the front of the Lens, and allows you to mount a 35mm lens on the camera.

This does a lot of things, one, it allows you to control the image very specifically, and gives you a shallower depth of field.

A shallow depth of field is ideal, because it more closely resembles the image that professional images create, and allows you more control over what you want to focus on and when.

Also, because many 35mm lens have F-Stop Aperature control knobs on them, it also lets you control the exposure of the image far more precisely.

[BandDfilms]

hv30

i did eny meeny miny mo

[brasseagle6]

If you're worried about wearing out your head, I would get a camera just dedicated to capture, or even a capture deck if you wanted to go all out.

There are lots of external recorders that you can hook up to the HV30's HDMI output and capture directly to it instead of tape.

would any kind of cam work as long as it is hd or would it have to be the exact same kind?

Is there any external recorders or capture decks for under 250-300?


thanks wes

[WesScog]

Some cameras will work as capture decks, but I am just about 100% sure that the codec has to match for the cameras. Like if your main camera is HDV, you need another HDV camera if you want to use it as a capture deck.

As for REAL capture decks, they tend to be hard to obtain for under $800, but really they are unnecessary unless you are simply going to be filming day in and day out.

Capture decks serve two purposes really, one, they double the speed of capture. Like lets say you shoot three hours worth of stuff, you have to sit there for three hours capturing the footage.

With a capture deck, you can just drop off the tapes and get a buddy to toss them into the deck, and get back to shooting while he captures.

And, like I said, it cuts the amount of wear and tear on your camera heads by half since you never have to capture footage, you're free from half of wear your camera would receive.

But once again, unless you're a professional who is going to be shooting constantly, and you might be rushing against deadlines, neither of these are significant enough benefits to really warrant the investment.

[TermoShockers]

It's not a digital camera but i bought a 16mm camera off this site before.

it's very affordable and actually one of the least costly cameras i own.

http://www.agassiztrading.com/cameras-film/projectors/film-projector-page.htm

[KingNikan]

DVX100 Is awesome.
IDK why peopel still compare the HGF10 and the HV30 has a waay superior quality.

http://www.vimeo.com/1461330
What song is that in that video

[WesScog]

Saeglopur by Sigur Ros.