Red Scarlet

[WesScog]

The Red Camera company is going to be revealing their Scarlet 2K camera at this years NAB conference.

Seeing how impressive the Red One has been, with what it gives for it's price, what do you guys think that Scarlet is going to be?

We know it's going to be 2K, and a "Pocket Cam", and will be aimed at professionals. How cheap do you think it's going to be?

I am hoping for the Sub-$4000 market, it would smash the competition if they were able to get it out for that much.

But since it's going to be half the resolution of the Red, I guess we could assume it would be half the base price, so about $7,500-8,500 bucks, which while that's still a lot, for a 2K camera that still kicks the crap out of the competition.

[ciwi286]

If it was in the sub 4000 market I would work My ass of at any job available to get one.
The second estimate is probably closer although Id say it might be a bit dearer.

[nooneimportant77]

yeah i'm having a hard time imagining what it'll cost. thats why i'm just going to wait and see. because red is pretty cheap (about 25-30 grand once you're done setting it up) i can't imagine what this will cost. 15 grand sounds high, 9-10 grand sounds low, but any higher and you're too high and might as well just save/chip in more for a red1. go figure. i'll wait and see what it costs. it sounds pretty sweet, and i'm actually considering it as an upgrade, once i really get to see it.

[trspballer7]

I cant wait to see what it can do.

[bridboyross]

They use the Red One camera on the film course that I start in September, ahem, jealous much? Sorry I sound a complete douche there but I found out a few days ago and I'm really rather excited.

[FyceDesigns]

Awesome! Like a miniature RED ONE? Yeah, I think it'll be around $8,000 to $9,500. Dang, I really can't wait to find out more info about it...

[WesScog]

DEAR LORD... THE NEWS THE NEWS...

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8334/41408redscaruj4.jpg

The Scarlet is not 2K, it's 3K, and it's going to be released in early 2009 for UNDER $3000. AND IT FITS INTO YOUR FREAKIN' POCKET!

Not only that but they announced the new EPIC 5K camera.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5530/41408rdepiccm8.jpg

Wow... So they announced the most amazing Pocketcam ever, and the big Brother to the REDONE in the same day, crazy-go-nuts.

[JackLawrence]

OMG!!!

[ciwi286]

Thats Freakin TINY!... AND SO CHEAP! AGH.. O.O thats crazy!

[New Spark Films]

DEAR LORD... THE NEWS THE NEWS...

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8334/41408redscaruj4.jpg

The Scarlet is not 2000p, it's 3000p, and it's going to be released in early 2009 for UNDER $3000. AND IT FITS INTO YOUR FREAKIN' POCKET!

Not only that but they announced the new EPIC 5K camera.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5530/41408rdepiccm8.jpg

Wow... So they announced the most amazing Pocketcam ever, and the big Brother to the REDONE in the same day, crazy-go-nuts.

No joke, I'm going to buy the Scarlet.

This is such amazing news... I don't even know what to do...

Sub $3000! This is amazing.

[ilikecookies]

what's so special?

[New Spark Films]

What's so special?

A 3000p pocket camera for under 3 grand!

[Fisherking]

Exciting but... does anyone else think the Scarlet is the ugliest damnable camera they've ever seen?

[ilikecookies]

wow, does that mean, my HV20 is 24p, sooo the scarlet is like beast?

[WesScog]

wow, does that mean, my HV20 is 24p, sooo the scarlet is like beast?

The HV20 records in 1080 resolution, with frame rates of 60i, 30f, 24f, and 24p, the Scarlet records in 3K resolution (more than three times the picture size), with frame rates ranging from 1-120 frames per second, PROGRESSIVE.

Not to mention the Scarlet looks like it can take the same 35mm quality lens that the REDONE can handle, offering it far greater potential depth of field.

[Fisherking]

No. They're talking about pixels. 24p refers to 24-fps progressive.

[WesScog]

Yup.

[New Spark Films]

Exciting but... does anyone else think the Scarlet is the ugliest damnable camera they've ever seen?

Who cares?

wow, does that mean, my HV20 is 24p, sooo the scarlet is like beast?

Yeah, the Scarlet's like beast. 24p doesn't have anything to do with that, that's the frame rate.

3000p is the resolution.

http://i25.tinypic.com/2r4ick1.png

[Fisherking]

Who cares?

A big aspect of a high-definition camera is respectability. I know what it's got under the hood, but if I take what looks like a pocket camcorder in, a prospective client may be underwhelmed.

[nooneimportant77]

A big aspect of a high-definition camera is respectability. I know what it's got under the hood, but if I take what looks like a pocket camcorder in, a prospective client may be underwhelmed.

i think its the final image your client should be concerned about, i know commercials shot on 300 dollar standard deff. cameras.

so go buy a panavision and save the scarlet for me, i wont mind you not buying it.

any idea how much the epic costs?

i'm pretty sure i'll be buying a scarlet.

[WesScog]

i think its the final image your client should be concerned about, i know commercials shot on 300 dollar standard deff. cameras.

so go buy a panavision and save the scarlet for me, i wont mind you not buying it.

any idea how much the epic costs?

i'm pretty sure i'll be buying a scarlet.


They are thinking AROUND 30,000. They mentioned they are aiming for under $3000 for Scarlet, but I heard that around 25-30k for the Epic was expected but less sure.

As for the Scarlet being tiny, put it on a Spider or Red-Rail, with manual lens and a LCD display, and I doubt any employers will be like, "Oooh, it looks so cheap".

Also, just because it can fit into your pocket, doesn't mean you're supposed to go wandering into prospective clients offices literally holding it in your pocket. I doubt they'll care, what they'll care about more is you saying that their commercial will be three times better than HD, I doubt they'll care HOW or WHAT you do it with as long as you have a good track record.

[FyceDesigns]

Hot dang! I gotta get my hands on Scarlet! Or rather, I gotta get my hands on 3 grand, and then get my hands on Scarlet!

[NaziActionFigure]

There's a LOT of buzz around scarlet.

There's also some scarlet prototype footage on youtube.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

[Ladri.]

You fail at trying to rick roll people. It's too obvious now.

That scarlet camera looks amazing!!!

[NaziActionFigure]

You fail at trying to rick roll people. It's too obvious now.

That scarlet camera looks amazing!!!
Too obvious? I've done it twice.

[next-tarantino]

DEAR LORD... THE NEWS THE NEWS...

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8334/41408redscaruj4.jpg

The Scarlet is not 2K, it's 3K, and it's going to be released in early 2009 for UNDER $3000. AND IT FITS INTO YOUR FREAKIN' POCKET!

Not only that but they announced the new EPIC 5K camera.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5530/41408rdepiccm8.jpg

Wow... So they announced the most amazing Pocketcam ever, and the big Brother to the REDONE in the same day, crazy-go-nuts.


HOLY SWEET MOTHER OF EVERYTHING.

Wes, you just made my day. Thank you.










Unfortunately, though... I'm now also going to need new pants.

[Spideralex90]

The scarlet camera is going to be awesome. The only problem is that it's a fixed lens. But who cares? Put an adapter on it and youll be fine. anyhow, it'll be usable with alot of the red accesories, has two slots for CF cards(it does roll-over recording, which means it continues filming onto the other card seemlessly, and you can swa out the previous one, it just goes backa nd forth until you run out of cards.) it's supposed to have two audio ports, and a 4.8" high resolution LCD. Beautiful. The only other problem is storage, you'll be swithching out CF cards alot and you need a big hard drive.

also, not to be a jerk off but um 4K isn't even 3000p. 4k is 4520 X 2540 so it's 2540p. I mean unless we started calling it by the horizontal pixel ratio to make it sound better, then it's not true, otherwise 1080p cameras would really be called 1920p cameras. Now, 5K might be 3000p. That's why the epic camera is awesomely named Epic.

Anyhow i'm seriously considering the Scarlet. Or a Z7U. Also the EX3 looks awesome, but it is WAAAAAYY too expensive.

[WesScog]

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7339/71008redscarletqg6.jpg

http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/10/red-delivers-new-rendering-of-scarlet-3k-camera/

Nice new big render of the Scarlet. This is apparently supposed to be close to 1:1 scale here.

[nooneimportant77]

There's also this (and it was put out by someone who works for RED)

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_scarletcoke.jpg

but it's deceiving, put your hand to the screen and you'll see the coke can is pretty small.

I can't quite figure out where they're fitting an almost 5" LCD on it though.

[WesScog]

Mmm... Tiny Soda....

[nooneimportant77]

I'm pretty set on getting this camera. On some other forums/sites people are complaining about how small it is, I couldn't care less how it looks.

(Of course I'm still going to wait on footage/hands on testing before I buy one though.)

[WesScog]

As long as it comes with the tiny soda. Wow, i'm thirsty.

[neckstab]

A little thirsty... ha ha ha

When do you think they will start taking orders again?

[WesScog]

They said early next year for the Scarlet. That was the release, so it's reasonable (to me at least) that they will start taking pre-orders around Christmas or January at least.

[EnipProductions]

Your all wanting this camera but can I just ask are you equiped to view and edit this software probably, because there would be no point buying it if you cannot edit its footage or view it in its 3000P entirity

[nooneimportant77]

I can do it, and even if you can't you can edit with the half or quarter K proxies if you have to.

[WesScog]

Yes I have access to facilities that can handle it.

But even if I didn't, and I was only filming in regular HD with it, it still has a far superior color and contrast latitude than normal HD cameras, it can see more colors, and more gradients in the colors, and it can also capture a larger amount of different lighting conditions in the same frame. (Like have a face and a bright sky both in proper contrast in the frame)

So you still have advantages to it, even if you aren't filming it in it's maximum resolution.

[nooneimportant77]

the scarlet will actually have more latitude then the Red One "before upgrade"

and like I said before, even if you can't work in 3K, you can work with the proxies, then export using the 3K footage, and have your online be in 3k.

[nooneimportant77]

Here's a nice new render.

http://www.derylgroup.com/downloads/DERYL/REFERENCE/9_zoom.jpg

[KMProductions]

There's also this (and it was put out by someone who works for RED)

but it's deceiving, put your hand to the screen and you'll see the coke can is pretty small.

I can't quite figure out where they're fitting an almost 5" LCD on it though.


Here is the Screen
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x119/Kalebt42/9_scarletcokescreen.jpg

[Vaughn Whynot]

there was a film crew in lunenburg the other day filming the bluenose
and on had a red
i was so crazy over it
i walked up and asked if i could hold it
.....
it was amazing
i was scared tho of dropping it

[mr Tree]

what camera do you have currently Wes?
...or anyone who may be stalking him

[WesScog]

I am using a Sony HDR-SR1. It's a HD HDD camera, it's a really good camera.

[michaelbak]

Has anyone seen the RED Scarlet? It's a new camera made by RED coming out in early 2009 at the cheap price of 3000 with LCD and Lens. It shoots 3000k res footage at any frame rate from 1 FPS for time lapse up to 180 for super hi speed res slow motion footage. Comes with a RED 8x zoom lens and a 4.5 inch LCD. Comes with battery and shoots to a 39 GB or 69 GB flash card which can hold up to 30 minutes one the 39 GB and 50 minutes on the 69 GB. If you really want to get close to film whilst still sticking to digital video then get a RED Scarlet!

I made this post because i will be saving up for one.

check it out
http://www.red.com/nab/scarlet

I really think that everyone at indymogul should sell there current cameras and get this.

and since i know at least one person will ask it does not shoot HD it shoots a higher res than HD.

Lets put it simple...

DV SD res 50i to 400i

HD HDV res 480i 1080i

Red Scarlet res 3000i

RED one res 4000i

RED Epic res 5000i

[WesScog]

None of Red's cameras shoot in interlaced as far as i'm aware.

But yea, there's been a few threads talking about it, most indie film makers are really looking forward to it.

[Ergo Pictures]

That's a camera? Looks more like a lens attachment. Where are the adjustments and everything? I know Red makes revolutionary cameras but I can't imagine using this thing.

Should I buy a Canon XH-A1 now or wait for this? Are you sure the 3k isn't the resolution instead of the price?

[toppie34]

That's a camera? Looks more like a lens attachment. Where are the adjustments and everything? I know Red makes revolutionary cameras but I can't imagine using this thing.

Should I buy a Canon XH-A1 now or wait for this? Are you sure the 3k isn't the resolution instead of the price?
3k is the resolution but resolution isnt everything your editing is also a major role and filming itself too. I see resolution as a plus everything above hd is just a plus because really on the internet the only one who supports that is vimeo and if you want alot of view you gotta submit it to youtube. Also good sound is what finally sells it so yes i would buy the XH-A1 and an atr-55 or something better.

[stikyfingas]

That's a camera? Looks more like a lens attachment. Where are the adjustments and everything? I know Red makes revolutionary cameras but I can't imagine using this thing.

Should I buy a Canon XH-A1 now or wait for this? Are you sure the 3k isn't the resolution instead of the price?

Adjustments are on the back, although a focus ring is supposedly going to be up front too.. Yes it will sell for 3k and yes its 3k resolution. However, its likely you will drop another 2-4K for accessories.
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4523/9zoomtx5.jpg

Ive been planning on getting one since NAB but I am going to wait until spring 2010 to let them get all the bugs out. I think the wait for Scarlet is going to be long with the buzz thats been building for it.

[Fisherking]

and since i know at least one person will ask it does not shoot HD it shoots a higher res than HD.

Lets put it simple...

[...]

Red Scarlet res 3000i

RED one res 4000i

Ummm... no.

All the Red cameras shoot HD. You can't have a 'higher resolution than HD,' as HD is not a set resolution but a threshold.

Also, the Scarlet is not slated to shoot 3000p or 3000i. You're confusing two important things - resolution is stated, alternatively, in horozontal or vertical units. What you're trying to quote is frame size in vertical pixels, but you're using the pixel value in horozontal pixels. The Red Scarlet is slated to have a total frame size of 3072x1728, which makes it 3K (horozontal resolution) and 1728p or 1728i (vertical resolution). Most entry-level HD cameras shoot at 1920x1080, making them 2K (horozontal resolution) and 1080i or 1080p (vertical resolution). The 'i' and the 'p' refer to whether it shoots interlaced or progressive.

The Scarlet apparently will capture in both interlaced and progressive modes.

I'm not really sure that the additional resolution is going to make that much of a difference except in a cinema environment, and I'm a bit worried about both the workflow and the price you'll end up spending to get a complete, working unit. I am very excited, however, by the 2/3" sensor and the overcranking capabilities. I'm cautiously optimistic about this one. I'll see how it goes. It's certainly a prime contender for my next upgrade.

[trspballer7]

are there any newer price updates? I will be looking for a new camera when I go to college in two years, and this seems like it would be good. So I need to know how much I need to start saving up for it.

[WesScog]

In two years it's price is going to be totally different than it's release price, so even if you did know it, it's current price would be useless to you.

Just save up about 3,000, that should buy it and maybe a few accessories in a few years.

[trspballer7]

alright, cause I will probably just need an LCD screen,, a harddrive, a rig, and some cables.

[trspballer7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD4aTY1Eo0c

This video said "3k for under 3k" without all of the pieces. So that is awesome.

[jacobfilm]

Film > Digital

[trspballer7]

Film > Digital


Digital is cheaper than film.

[Ladri.]

Film > Digital

What makes film so much better?

On a side note, I'm completely torn. I have been wanting a Canon XH-A1 forever but the scarlet just looks so amazing.

[trspballer7]

What makes film so much better?

On a side note, I'm completely torn. I have been wanting a Canon XH-A1 forever but the scarlet just looks so amazing.

I am doing a lot of research it, and I think this is the ticket. I hope to get a cheap one in a few years.

[Ladri.]

I just don't know if final cut express could handle the footage though. If it can't, that means I would need to spend a $1000+ on a new one. (preferably CS3) I also want to get buy a 35mm adapter.

So pretty much, it's looking like I need $5,000-$6,000 for everything.

Damn, I really need a job.

[TiE_Shepherd]

It'll be interesting to see how quickly the scarlet actually ships out and how many will actually be ready when it does. With everyone drooling over it I'd have to guess it's going to take a good 6-12 months at least before it's easy to get ahold of. I mean aren't there people still waiting for their Red Ones who have been waiting for a couple of years at least?

[trspballer7]

I just don't know if final cut express could handle the footage though. If it can't, that means I would need to spend a $1000+ on a new one. (preferably CS3) I also want to get buy a 35mm adapter.

So pretty much, it's looking like I need $5,000-$6,000 for everything.

Damn, I really need a job.

It shoots in 35mm realistic footage. so you wouldn't need that. Oh and I would suggest final cut pro 2, or newer when available. Red said they were talking with apple to make it even better supportable with the red footage.

[Ladri.]

It shoots in 35mm realistic footage. so you wouldn't need that. Oh and I would suggest final cut pro 2, or newer when available. Red said they were talking with apple to make it even better supportable with the red footage.

Ok. That's good to hear. I guess I just need a 35mm adapter for my HV30 now.

I prefer adobe premiere over Final Cut but if it is going to be supported better I may have to switch.

[trspballer7]

oh and for people looking for more info on the scarlet, join the scarletuser.com forums. I just joined, and I really like it so far. I definately think this is the way I am going to go.

[sirslapshot19]

wifi control?!? holy shit

[michaelbak]

Wes , i already did a thread on the Scarlet!

[WesScog]

Notice the first post in this thread, and the first post in your thread.

I started this thread back in April when they first revealed the camera at NAB.

[michaelbak]

Notice the first post in this thread, and the first post in your thread.

I started this thread back in April when they first revealed the camera at NAB.

Sorry , and Wes what are you doing up at 6:00 AM or 5:00 AM or 4:00 AM or… 30 minutes later or 3:00 AM?

[WesScog]

Not sleeping.

[trspballer7]

haha...insomnia gets the best of us.

[atomic9studios]

Im gonna pre-order when they take sign-ups for it on December 14th i heard... :D

[nooneimportant77]

Where did you hear that? because I've heard they're NOT taking pre-orders, or reserves, or whatever for the camera ever.

[speekerphone]

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii178/stewieparker/not.png

[atomic9studios]

I heard that they will start accepting preorders in December/ January so yeah speekerphone NOT NOW, but later. A friend of mine told me Dec. 14th. What ever, just cant wait for the camera! :cool:

[nooneimportant77]

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii178/stewieparker/not.png

Yeah, thanks we're talking about future things to come. Nice try though.

[Fisherking]

It shoots in 35mm realistic footage. so you wouldn't need that.

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Scarlet has a 2/3" chip - nowhere near super35mm size. It will not have a comprable DOF and it certainly won't share different lens properties. A 35mm adaptor would be a great investment for a Scarlet, but it's certainly not a requirement.

Also, are you talking about editing RedRAW natively? There's some suggestion about having the ability to do that and run it through RedCine when finished, but most probably you'll run it through RedCine first and you'll edit with a bunch of enormous, 10-bit quicktime files. You really shouldn't have any compatability issues. You'd want a pretty beefy PC to edit HD footage, though.

[Ladri.]

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Scarlet has a 2/3" chip - nowhere near super35mm size. It will not have a comprable DOF and it certainly won't share different lens properties. A 35mm adaptor would be a great investment for a Scarlet, but it's certainly not a requirement.

Thank you for clearing this up. I was kind of confused.

Also, are you talking about editing RedRAW natively? There's some suggestion about having the ability to do that and run it through RedCine when finished, but most probably you'll run it through RedCine first and you'll edit with a bunch of enormous, 10-bit quicktime files. You really shouldn't have any compatability issues. You'd want a pretty beefy PC to edit HD footage, though.

You're talking about the amount of RAM needed, right?

[nooneimportant77]

oooo ahhhhh

optional grip.


http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_scarlethandle1.jpg

[chainedflesh]

Film > Digital

Pure opinion.

One can argue the pros and the cons of both all day, every day. But in the end it comes down to the filmakers ability.

[WesScog]

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18278

Wow, this is awesome, the third gen Mysterium sensor for the EPIC is going to be put into a new DSLR camera that RED is making.

Thats awesome, I can't wait to see how the RED product line continues to develop.

[Vaughn Whynot]

wes buy me one lol
serious tho are you getting one or indy mogul?

[trspballer7]

I am still waiting for the SCARLET! lol.

[nooneimportant77]

A DSLR? hmmm sounds to me like a strange idea after they just put this image out-

http://rebelsguide.com/dl/scarlethandle.png

[WesScog]

Is that supposed to be a new Scarlet Render, or is that the DSLR render?

[WesScog]

wes buy me one lol
serious tho are you getting one or indy mogul?

I probably won't be, I can't say what kind of equipment IM might get, but I don't know why they'd get a still camera.

[Vaughn Whynot]

crazy work photos thats what
lol i think i meant for the scarlet lol

[WesScog]

I will be purchasing a Scarlet, yes.

I'm already about halfway saved up for it, so i'll have the money by about March next year, when they plan to have it out.

[Vaughn Whynot]

can i barrow it lol
what do you have for a set up right now?

[WesScog]

I have an HD Sony HDR-SR1 rig, it's nice, it looks great when I progressify it, but the Scarlet simply has such a larger latitude, and so many extra frame rates and stuff, it's so much more flexible.

But no, my Rig, once I get all of the equipment i'm gunning for together, I can absolute do DP work on peoples films, or any kind of assistance they might need.

[Vaughn Whynot]

lol lucky wes
do you think indy mogul guys might get into filming more seriously after the scarlet is released
because i don't see them using it for tutorials
lol also by the time i save money for a a vx1000 or vx2100 you have all your gear and a scarlet 2 will be released lol

[WesScog]

Well they are currently utilizing gear thats been used to make professional films.

[Vaughn Whynot]

ok sweet

[nooneimportant77]

Yeah the picture I posted is an optional grip you can get for the Scarlet.

[BaoHoang]

oooo ahhhhh

optional grip.


http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_scarlethandle1.jpg

Where did you find that???

[nooneimportant77]

Jim Jannard (owner of red) posted it on the scarlet/red forums a while ago.

[EnipProductions]

You're talking about the amount of RAM needed, right?

Not just ram, but proccesing power. 8 core would be reccomended with 4 cores being the lowest. Then you want a good Procceser to RAM ratio. 4 CPU = 8GIGS, 8 CPU=16GIGS

But you could always use proxies if you can't afford a machine like that. Even on my Mac Pro I plan to use proxies.

[nooneimportant77]

Everyone uses proxies, or... "wrappers" as red calls them. I was at a meeting in NYC about the camera, and the guy who was presenting (founder of Offhollywood) was talking a little about how everyone just uses the proxies, and then switches them out for color work.

[EnipProductions]

I don't use proxies on standered HDV on my Gaming comp since its realtime for me. But on the SCARLETT, on my MAC PRO I will

[nooneimportant77]

.... well thats HDV... this is 3k raw.

[EnipProductions]

I know but you said everyone uses proxies :D, if you were just reffering to RED camera then I agree.

[nooneimportant77]

Yeah I was only talking about RED.

[nooneimportant77]

Well forget everything you thought you knew about Scarlet.

http://www.scarletuser.com/showthread.php?t=1047

I actually decided a while ago, that I'm probably not buying a Scarlet. I'd love to, it's more of a financial reason. However, sometimes when it comes to this sort of thing, I couldn't care less what "new vision" they have. Shut up, and make the camera like you said. I personally think he just sounds so full of himself when he says that stuff, but I don't doubt he knows what he's doing.

[beaucomix]

HOLY SHIT!!!!! i was saving for a gl2 but im my save extra for this.

[nooneimportant77]

GL-2s are so overrated.

[beaucomix]

your so right on that note

[nooneimportant77]

Yeah they're changin up the Epic too.

http://www.red.com/

Guess this is pretty big, considering they wouldn't even put up new renders of the cameras on Red.com.

[beaucomix]

GODDAMMIT I HATE WHEN COMPINES DO THIS!!!!

[WesScog]

I LOVE when Companies do this.

What they could be unveiling could be so much better than what they had planned.

[KMProductions]

Yeah, it's so weird though that they're all of a sudden changing everything. I wonder if it has anything to do with their new "Monstro" chip.

[nooneimportant77]

I LOVE when Companies do this.

What they could be unveiling could be so much better than what they had planned.

Or it could totally suck. If they plan on upgrading, I have a feeling one of the first things they'll upgrade is the price. It was pretty much predictable to be a 4000 dollar camera after taxes, but they did a lot of work to get it down to that, I don't know how they'll keep it in the original price range, and have large enough upgrades to cause all this commotion.

[beaucomix]

o shit if it goes over 3000 i aint buying it. to expensive.

[Zacatac]

New Pics guys

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_ui12.jpg


http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_art1.jpg

[michaelbak]

OMF God!!!!

[Zacatac]

OMF God!!!!


Do i sense sarcasm? :P

[Scott]

I'm dying of anticipation to see what RED has in store. November 13th will be an exciting day.

[michaelbak]

Do i sense sarcasm? :P

Nine Days! Hell no it isn't sarcasm!

[Zacatac]

I'm dying of anticipation to see what RED has in store. November 13th will be an exciting day.

That it will be... im usually on scarletuser posting... but i thought'd id drift over here, and relay some news...

9 days boy-o

[3amigosproductions]

OK i got a few questions:

what format does it shoot on

is the file big?

is it compatible with macbooks?

[WesScog]

OK i got a few questions:

what format does it shoot on

is the file big?

is it compatible with macbooks?

The Red One shoots on a harddrive or flash drive connected to the camera. The file format itself is a proprietary codec called "Redcode RAW".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RED_Digital_Camera_Company#Compression_and_workflo w

You can read more about it here, along with bitrates.

The files are big, for my 20 minute project i'm going to need upwards of 30 gigabytes of free space.

Red offers a free program from their website known as "RedCine" that is compatible with Apple software. It basically allows you to take the Redcode RAW file, and output it to a variety of formats, so you could output it to MPEG-4 for example, and edit it in pretty much anything you want.

[Zacatac]

OK i got a few questions:

what format does it shoot on

is the file big?

is it compatible with macbooks?


Not all things are settled.... but it will shoot REDcode RAW....

files can be big, but you can edit proxies (much smaller files that link back up to main file)

it will definitely work with the macbooks

[MitchellStafiej]

The Scarlet comes out in 9 days?

Mitch

[WesScog]

No. They are going to reveal the new specs and designs for the Scarlet and the Epic in 9 days.

They are redesigning certain features of the Scarlet, and Red is saying that they've made some major improvements on both of the new cameras.

[MitchellStafiej]

No. They are going to reveal the new specs and designs for the Scarlet and the Epic in 9 days.

They are redesigning certain features of the Scarlet, and Red is saying that they've made some major improvements on both of the new cameras.
Ah great news.

Mitch

[Scott]

Ah great news.

Mitch

Indeed.


Mitch

[Zacatac]

Keep you guys in the loop... only 3 more days...

and two new pics

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/9_art1.jpg

http://scarletuser.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=329&d=1226126117

[Scott]

I'm pretty sure that image is the tail of the Scarlet.

[Zacatac]

I'm pretty sure that image is the tail of the Scarlet.


I agree... looks to be the battery of sorts... just flip the image 90 degrees, makes more sense

[trspballer7]

I think I might get either a scarlet or a Panasonig AG-HMC150 in like two years. Hopefully they will be down to about 2000 by then.

[Scott]

I think I might get either a scarlet or a Panasonig AG-HMC150 in like two years. Hopefully they will be down to about 2000 by then.

In two years Red will have released something better than the Scarlet for the price.

[Scott]

Just thought I'd give everyone a heads up. RED releases specs on Scarlet and Epic tomorrow!

[nooneimportant77]

Yeah, I'm half looking forward to it. I've pretty much ruled the Scarlet out of my budget, but I'm still really interested to see what they have come up with. Just so I can sit and think-

daaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmnn.

[speekerphone]

tomorrow bitches.

[Scott]

Yeah, I'm half looking forward to it. I've pretty much ruled the Scarlet out of my budget, but I'm still really interested to see what they have come up with. Just so I can sit and think-

daaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmnn.

As of right now I have no budget. But I plan to save up to get one. I'm sure it won't be any more than $4000.

At least we'll know the prices tomorrow. They said after tomorrow the only thing we'll have to wait for is the date for shipping.

[trspballer7]

In two years Red will have released something better than the Scarlet for the price.


Exactly, thus making it cheaper.

[WesScog]

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=21835&page=2

WOW WOW! Scarlet, EPIC, and the DSMC HAVE BEEN INTEGRATED!

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7091/1226601533zx1.jpg

They are now a TOTALLY MODULAR DESIGN! I can't wait to see the full announcement!

[WesScog]

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/3283/1226635490dz1.jpg

A look at the all new redesign of the Scarlet, this seems to be a stripped down "basic" configuration. This will probably be the $3,000 model.

[Skycarl]

You look at that beautiful camera and it makes you want to
go out and buy a few lottery tickets.
With the economy going in the crapper, makes you wonder
how much that will effect the price tag.

[Scott]

I think I just came.

[Scott]

Jesus Christ! 261 Megapixels? ARE THE FUCKING INSANE?

[MitchellStafiej]

I want that in my pants right now...

I now see the camera I shall be saving up for!

Mitch

[roguebot]

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/3283/1226635490dz1.jpg

A look at the all new redesign of the Scarlet, this seems to be a stripped down "basic" configuration. This will probably be the $3,000 model.

Based on the prices of Red's accessories, and that they haven't announced a price for the fixed lens camera the cheapest ready to shoot version would probably be around $5,000. But the amount of possibilities and upgrades are amazing. I want one. Now.

Also my birthday was yesterday, so the announcement is kind of a accidental belated present.

[CakedUp]

http://red.cachefly.net/DSMC/epic_scarlet_brochure_large.jpg

[ciwi286]

Squeek!

http://media.tumblr.com/hKCvYX51mg939qipAEcYSxQBo1_500.jpg

[WesScog]

Based on the prices of Red's accessories, and that they haven't announced a price for the fixed lens camera the cheapest ready to shoot version would probably be around $5,000. But the amount of possibilities and upgrades are amazing. I want one. Now.

Also my birthday was yesterday, so the announcement is kind of a accidental belated present.

Well the body alone is 2,500, I can't see the fixed lens model being more than 3,500.

Still, compare that resolution and latitude to something like that HVX which is almost twice the cost, and you can start to see the benefit.

[stikyfingas]

Drools...

[WesScog]

I was doubtful when he kept on saying it would be beyond our expectations, and bam he delivers. I'm really astonished at this stuff.

So close to professional 35mm for so cheap. This is a good day to be an independent filmmaker.

[Spleg]

Squeek!

http://media.tumblr.com/hKCvYX51mg939qipAEcYSxQBo1_500.jpg
WaaaaaaAAAAAAaaaaaall-eeeeeeee...

[MitchellStafiej]

Any word on a release date yet or must we still wait for that? :) I'm giddeeeeeee.

Mitch

[nooneimportant77]

28k.... TWENTY EIGHT KAY.

[roguebot]

Well the body alone is 2,500, I can't see the fixed lens model being more than 3,500.

Still, compare that resolution and latitude to something like that HVX which is almost twice the cost, and you can start to see the benefit.

But the battery, flash card reader and a single flash card are all about $500 each. No idea about the viewfinder or grip/recordbutton thingy.

But I really don't want to be a buzzkill. This is absolutely astonishing and versatile and affordable.

[roguebot]

It is a great day to be an indy film person.

[sfx man]

28k.... TWENTY EIGHT KAY.

218 megapixals!!!

[nooneimportant77]

Well, this and Chinese Democracy are on the same list for me.

[speekerphone]

SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.red.com/epic_scarlet/

[nooneimportant77]

My friend predicts that with a long enough lens, and the 28K sensor, you could see around the world and into the future like in that movie.

[WesScog]

Any word on a release date yet or must we still wait for that? :) I'm giddeeeeeee.

Mitch

2009 for most of the stuff, for some of the other stuff 2010.

Look at the bottom of the tech specifications where they show all the cores, they talk about anticipated release dates.

[TheMightySeamus]

Squeek!

http://media.tumblr.com/hKCvYX51mg939qipAEcYSxQBo1_500.jpg
I just spontaneously combusted.

[speekerphone]

Hold up. I'm confused. If I buy the Red Scarlet Body, what else will i need?

[Scott]

Hold up. I'm confused. If I buy the Red Scarlet Body, what else will i need?

Power, lens, controls, and hope.

[speekerphone]

Power, lens, controls, and hope. Okay, thanks

[Scott]

Okay, thanks

Oh yeah, and a device to record the information on. Such as the RedDrive or the Red compact flash cards.

[nooneimportant77]

Stu has a nice little picture.

It's 1/8th resolution. ONE EIGHTH!

the red box is 1920 x 1080, the gray box is 28k.

http://rebelsguide.com/dl/28k.jpg

1/8th.

[WesScog]

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6472/28kcopyxk8.jpg

Here are some more resolutions roughly to scale to 28k.

[Fisherking]

Don't think any of us are likely to be buying that one.

I am interested in the S35 -- Wonder how much it will cost when fully decked-out?

[WesScog]

For full professional capabilities, probably between 15-20k. (Although to get it up and operational, probably as little a 8-9 thousand).

Expensive, but for a full 35mm frame without competition as far as i'm aware.

[Scott]

For full professional capabilities, probably between 15-20k. (Although to get it up and operational, probably as little a 8-9 thousand).

Expensive, but for a full 35mm frame without competition as far as i'm aware.

Expensive? Maybe. Worth the price? I think so.

[WesScog]

Oh, I didn't say it wasn't worth the price. It is DEFINITELY worth the prize, a sensor that big, with pixel sites that big, 5K Resolution, AND 11 stops of latitude (more than the Red One.) which I believe is a little more than Kodak's state of the art Vision3 film stock.

With high quality glass, filming with an S35 should be practically indistinguishable from filming with a professional camera based solely on the specs.

This camera should pay for itself after just shooting about 3-4 hours with it, since it would cost more just in film and processing to shoot in 35mm. Obviously not taking camera rental rates into consideration.

[Scott]

All I know is, I'm going to get one when I can. I think I may have to start with the $2500 model, but that's fine with me.

[Fisherking]

The one thing that immediately occurs to me is this: Is is really necessary? I mean, really? Most of us shoot exclusively for net distribution, and likely will never be seen in cinema. Even on Vimeo resolution, an HV20, properly calibrated, can look just as good as an F23.

Which is not to say I'm not going to sell a limb to buy one. To work on real glass...

It'd be great for mid-range independant films; the $30,000 or so -- the sort of guys that use the HPX500.

[WesScog]

To me, I can definitely see a difference between something shot on the Red One professionally (like this trailer for Knowing (http://vimeo.com/1728361)) and things that were shot on the HV20.

http://vimeo.com/1333375
http://vimeo.com/1737450

These are two GREAT GREAT looking videos using the HV20 and a DOF adapter, and they look beautiful, but there is obviously a difference between the two.

Mostly it seems to be with the lighting, the editing, and the sound work that really stand out the most to me. The Professional clip from Knowing is simply lit so much better.

Just for me, I can still see the difference here between the quality of the image, even if it is getting less distinct especially with most of us distributing our work digitally.

But for some of us who are trying to put together really good looking portfolios and for some of us that submit to festivals, this camera will be a boon, one step closer towards breaking down the difference between a student film and a Hollywood production.

[Scott]

The one thing that immediately occurs to me is this: Is is really necessary? I mean, really? Most of us shoot exclusively for net distribution, and likely will never be seen in cinema. Even on Vimeo resolution, an HV20, properly calibrated, can look just as good as an F23.

Which is not to say I'm not going to sell a limb to buy one. To work on real glass...

It'd be great for mid-range independant films; the $30,000 or so -- the sort of guys that use the HPX500.

Well yeah, I'm sure their target market isn't YouTube video bloggers and whatnot. But there's been a large demand for a modestly priced camera for the no-budget independents who want high quality images. And our prayers have been answered.

Sure the super high quality may be considered overkill by some, but I'm not going to complain.

[nooneimportant77]

Jim said there's going to be an announcement on Dec. 3rd.

'everything has changed'.... again, and I really don't care anymore.

[WesScog]

It's probably going to be the specs and pricing on the "Shoot out of the box" model.

[Yugispoony]

That amazing!

[Radstrike]

I was checking out these RED's and I must say: I'm in awe. AND in love.
One question: when the Scarlet comes out, where will it be available for purchase?

[nooneimportant77]

The Red store, and possibly places like B&H. I don't think they've said anything about it really.

[pcgfilms]

Im starting to save up my money now!

[thepie]

, AND 11 stops of latitude (more than the Red One.) which I believe is a little more than Kodak's state of the art Vision3 film stock.



The RED ONE gets 13 stops, but in reality 11. The scarlet will probably get about the same. MAYBE more on the Monstro sensor, but definitely less on the 2/3.

I personally will try for the S35 or 2/3, using Nikon glass on the S35, or Red Primes on the 2/3. I'm a bit errked at the 2/3 thing, it seems like 4/3 would have been a more logical choice.

But who am I to complain right?

[WesScog]

I was checking out these RED's and I must say: I'm in awe. AND in love.
One question: when the Scarlet comes out, where will it be available for purchase?

You order it from Red.com, recently Red got the Red One out of Backorder, so if you've got 20 grand, you can right now purchase a working Red One with some accessories and have it delivered to you in less than a week.

[Radstrike]

You order it from Red.com, recently Red got the Red One out of Backorder, so if you've got 20 grand, you can right now purchase a working Red One with some accessories and have it delivered to you in less than a week.

Bwhahaha! Like I have twenty grand. I wish. I'll just have to save up for the scarlet. I'll consider it an investment into my future.

Edit: Wait, what? They managed to backlog a 20 grand camera? Are they limited runs?

[WesScog]

The RED ONE gets 13 stops, but in reality 11. The scarlet will probably get about the same. MAYBE more on the Monstro sensor, but definitely less on the 2/3.

I personally will try for the S35 or 2/3, using Nikon glass on the S35, or Red Primes on the 2/3. I'm a bit errked at the 2/3 thing, it seems like 4/3 would have been a more logical choice.

But who am I to complain right?

Are you sure? Because Red's own documentation (referring to the latest spec charts on the Scarlet comparison page) label the Red One as having 10 stops of latitude.

Also independent testing has shown fewer stops of latitude depending on the circumstances, the further away you get from it's "safe zone" the less stops of latitude it gets I believe.

But the S35 and 2/3" Scarlet sensors are currently estimated at 11 stops, with the FF35 while the Monstro Sensors are estimated at about 13 stops.

As for 4/3 I don't think that would be a good idea for a Cinema camera. 4/3 is to square, and would require significant cropping to fit a wide screen projection.

Since Wide screen projection is becoming a more powerful standard and pushing 4:3 out of the market, I think they moving towards a sensor that is closer to 16:9 is a smart move.

[WesScog]

Bwhahaha! Like I have twenty grand. I wish. I'll just have to save up for the scarlet. I'll consider it an investment into my future.

Edit: Wait, what? They managed to backlog a 20 grand camera? Are they limited runs?

Red isn't a large company (yet), they have fielded over 5,000 orders so far, almost all of which were pre-orders.

Only recently have they emerged out of the Pre-Orders and started providing cameras on request.

For a camera of this magnitude, this is actually a rather significant number of cameras, if you compare this to the number of Genesis or Vipers or other comparable cameras, 5,000+ is a MASSIVE amount of orders.

[KingNikan]

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6472/28kcopyxk8.jpg

Here are some more resolutions roughly to scale to 28k.
28k might be bigger

[instantkult]

As for 4/3 I don't think that would be a good idea for a Cinema camera. 4/3 is to square, and would require significant cropping to fit a wide screen projection.

I thought he meant 4/3" (as in 1.25") rather than a 4:3 aspect ratio.

Perhaps I'm betraying how limited my knowledge is of how video works compared to film, but I thought that one could achieve a shorter depth of field with a larger sensor without having to use an adapter. Kind of like how 16mm can get a shorter DoF than 8mm and 35mm can get a shorter DoF than 16.

Would it work like that, or am I completely off base?

[WesScog]

28k might be bigger

No, that's it to scale. The gray section is 28k btw.

[WesScog]

I thought he meant 4/3" (as in 1.25") rather than a 4:3 aspect ratio.

4/3 refers both to the size AND the aspect ratio.

Perhaps I'm betraying how limited my knowledge is of how video works compared to film, but I thought that one could achieve a shorter depth of field with a larger sensor without having to use an adapter. Kind of like how 16mm can get a shorter DoF than 8mm and 35mm can get a shorter DoF than 16.

Would it work like that, or am I completely off base?

No your right, but it's not like the 2/3 sensor is the ONLY one they will be offering.

By producing their own sensors (4/3 is NOT an open format, they would have to license those sensors) they can design them to their specific needs, AND keep the cost down on them by cutting out the middle man.

They F35 Sensor is going to be MUCH MUCH larger than the 4/3 sensor, and be natively widescreen without having to crop anything.

[instantkult]

Thank you, Wes.

[nooneimportant77]

3 grand for a fixed lens model, 3750 for the 'complete kit' whatever that means.

[WesScog]

3 grand for a fixed lens model, 3750 for the 'complete kit' whatever that means.


Lens, Sensor, battery, recording module, and controls.

3,750, is the out of the box model.

[nooneimportant77]

Where'd you find that out?

[WesScog]

I read it on the forums, one of the Red guys explained by "Complete Kit" they meant "everything you'd need to shoot".

[nooneimportant77]

gotcha.

Well, I ain't getting one anyway. Maybe someday.

[Fisherking]

I've got to admit, I'm pretty pumped about this. The whole modular theme is great, and I enjoy the RedCine process. I'm always willing to be disappointed, but it's hard when it seems like Red are fulfilling so many of the criteria I've always wished for but which always seem to have been ignored by major manufacturers.

But, damn, isn't Red-user full of nerds? I thought my multi-post-long posts were bad, but the Dec 3rd announcement thread already has over 100 pages!

[WesScog]

I am so excited about this, I am definitely going to start saving up for it now, i'm going to purchase the 3,750 system, and upgrade to a S35 system down the road.

This is really going to pay for itself, you purchase the base system, get some jobs with it, pay off the camera, then start saving up for the S35 Module.

[nooneimportant77]

Uh oh....

http://www.bluedigitalcinema.com/


Their products are JUST as real as reds.

EDIT:

Red is really starting to bother me.

http://www.redgrabs.com/up/1228300198.jpg

Who cares about some spike ball thing? Does anyone have ANY idea what that is? They really should have gone with the Steve Jobs approach on this stuff 'We made this AWESOME thing, and it ships TODAY".

[chainedflesh]

Uh oh....

http://www.bluedigitalcinema.com/


Their products are JUST as real as reds.

EDIT:

Red is really starting to bother me.

http://www.redgrabs.com/up/1228300198.jpg

Who cares about some spike ball thing? Does anyone have ANY idea what that is? They really should have gone with the Steve Jobs approach on this stuff 'We made this AWESOME thing, and it ships TODAY".



NOoooooooo... that site is a parody.

You see RED already has the RED1 on the market.

It looks like that site was made by a four year old who has a grudge against RED.


And the spiked ball is a word joke in the form of a picture.

[nooneimportant77]

I hope you didn't think I thought that site was real.

Yeah, Red has the Red One. Thats great if you can afford it. Scarlet is being drooled over by tons of people, and I'm willing to bed it's because they can actually have it. If it ever exists.

The spike ball was posted by Jim, without any explanation that I can find.

[WesScog]

I hope you didn't think I thought that site was real.

Yeah, Red has the Red One. Thats great if you can afford it. Scarlet is being drooled over by tons of people, and I'm willing to bed it's because they can actually have it. If it ever exists.

The spike ball was posted by Jim, without any explanation that I can find.


The Spiked Ball is just a joke, that and the Red on wheels. Red Rover. (Get it?)

[nooneimportant77]

:rolleyes: I guess....

[chainedflesh]

I hope you didn't think I thought that site was real.

Yeah, Red has the Red One. Thats great if you can afford it. Scarlet is being drooled over by tons of people, and I'm willing to bed it's because they can actually have it. If it ever exists.

The spike ball was posted by Jim, without any explanation that I can find.


I knew that you knew the site was fake, but you parroted their statements that the product specified on the page was just as real as RED's products. Which is patently untrue.

Brad Herman's Blue page basically has questionable motives. But then, I have to question the judgement of any man who photographs furries.

RED has made promises like this before and delivered, they will deliver again.

[WesScog]

What makes you think that the Scarlet WON'T exist?

These' already made over 100,000,000 on Red One sales, and are out of back orders with them. Demand is still high for the camera, and it's being used on more and more professional productions.

There is no reason to think that Red is doing poorly, or that the Scarlet isn't going to happen. The great thing about Red as a company is that they are small enough that they can be agile and change their technology based on customer feedback.

[nooneimportant77]

I don't really think that it's not going to get made, I said if haha.

I just think it's getting stupid. These cameras don't exist right now (as far as we know), and they've been talking about them for a while. They've been changing things on them for almost as long, and they want to have some of them out next year.

They make all these announcements about cool stuff they're putting in the non existent cameras, and it's cool, and some people go nuts over it, but for me I'm like 'ok great, make the camera...'.

I don't think Red is doing poorly, I just think they are doing what people do when they think about what they'd buy when they win the lotto. I don't mean in terms of expensive things, I just mean in terms of fantasizing about crazy stuff to do that would be amazing, but probably wont happen, and even then I'm not saying Scarlet or Epic wont happen, they probably will. Eventually.

I get the feeling Red cameras are going to be the new Chinese Democracy, now that that actually came out.

It's reasonable to take the Red Spike Ball, and Red Rover just as seriously as the Scarlet, and Epic. They both exist, in the same program.

[WesScog]

Except... that's not reasonable at all...

One is a serious product from a company that has fielded products before (after a year of people saying that it's never going to come out) and the other is an obvious joke.

The Red is not something to just fantasize about, i'm not rich, but I saved my money wisely and was able to get a Red for a project, so it's well within the reach of most people to get one for a project (unlike the Genesis or the Viper) so I don't see what the big deal is.

Just because some people might get a little to excited over them doesn't mean that Red should be blamed.

Personally, I LIKE that they are giving me a years long heads-up in advance, by the time it comes out, i'll be able to have enough money put aside to get my own.

[nooneimportant77]

One is a serious product that exists as much as the joke one. Red is rentable to people like you, and lots and lots of film makers, and even in reach of owning for lots of people. Lots of HD cameras cost more then what Scarlet is priced at now. Kids will have a Scarlet. For lots of people that the Scarlet is an option for the Red One IS something to fantasize about. Hell, the Scarlet is something to fantasize about for me. An HVX200 is something I could dream of owning.

In any case, I feel like I'm debating Aliens, or big foot.

[WesScog]

Except... there are blueprints and renders, and engineers working on one (with prototypes most likely already built), and the others were just a joke.

[speekerphone]

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!

That website is hilarious!

[WesScog]

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/8492/1229523338lk7.jpg

Image of the new S35 Mysterium-X Prototype "Frankie 2".

The S35 is going to be the sensor at the core of the $7,000 Scarlet brain.

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/8854/1229483601cz6.jpg

Here is a thumbnail of a test still out of it (I don't want to paste the full image (http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/8854/1229483601cz6.jpg) because it's gigantic.). It's already shooting full motion, and that'll be showcased soon. The test still is great resolution, but it has about a fifth of the full resolution of the final image, AND this is an 8-bit JPEG, while the S35 is shooting 10-bit, so this doesn't even have the same color depth or resolution as the actual image.

[Fisherking]

One is a serious product that exists as much as the joke one.

That's silly. There are graduations of existing: The difference between "exists in prototype form, pending finalisation and commerical release" and "a joke, not a real product, never going to be released."

Some people seem to take great joy in disparaging Red, and I can't grok why. They have obnoxious, over-enthusiastic fans, sure, but that's hardly their fault. They've developed an interesting business model (and hype machine) that seems to work for them. I'm very impressed by the new images, and I'll be happy to see what transpires later on. Red have a first step, the RedOne, from which they can tumble, or go on to greater success. The latter is good for everyone, not merely Red customers. The former will probably ellicit a curious joy in their reverse-fanbase -- their 'hatedom,' if you will.

[trspballer7]

So I have the indirailsXV, 24" rails with shoulder mount and hand grips,

the indifocus pro, follow focus,

and the indimatte box.

as seen here: http://indifocus.com/

I am planning to upgrade to a scarlet in a few years, probably about halfway through filmschool, so I was wondering if these would work with the scarlet?

and does anyone know if red accsories work on 15mm rods?


Thanks.

[Matt Kieley]

Well, seeing as how the scarlet hasn't even really been built yet, it's difficult to say.

[WesScog]

I would go over to Scarlet User and ask them, but my knee jerk response would be, "Yes you'll be able to get them to work."

[loosechange]

im saving up for that same indifocus setup, minus the follow focus unit.

How is it?

[google550]

I would go over to Scarlet User and ask them, but my knee jerk response would be, "Yes you'll be able to get them to work."

I have NEVER heard that expression used before.

[WesScog]

I have NEVER heard that expression used before.

Really? I assumed it is pretty common.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knee_jerk#Popular_culture

But yea, its just synonymous with like... "My Automatic Reponse without really thinking about it to hard would be..."

[Matt Kieley]

I've heard it. In fact, I use it.

[knightly]

15mm rods are the industry standard, JJ and the boys (and girls) over at RED are keen on making it so industry folks can just drop their product into their existing toolbox, so I'd say yes.

and tripods all have 1/4-20 thread screws on them, so that will match any camera mount you have (including your rod system). They'd be silly to make a camera that wouldn't fit on your tripod.

[Fplus]

Like knightly said the Industry standard for rod supports is 15mm diameter!
But the will be releasing a new designed scarlet, so I don't know how this will look like, perhapst it does not need a lens support.
Good luck in film school!

[thepie]

Yes, it will almost def. work. At least with the interchangeable lens one, not sure about the 3k fixed lens.

Those FF units are meant for 35mm and Cine lenses, so you shouldn't have a problem. 15mm is also pretty much standard.

[thepie]

How many of you guys are considering getting the Scarlet when it is released?

If so, which one?

I'm hoping to go for the S35, but if the accessories are similar in price to the One accessories, it'll be a decked out 2/3 interchangeable for me.

If i do go for S35, I'm gonna get some RED lenses, or if I can find some Zeiss MP's for less than a zillion dollars each, I'll pick up some of them.

With the 2/3, I'll probably wind up with the Red MiniPrimes, for lack of a better option.

I'll be recording on the RedDrive or SD cards, depending how big they are when the camera gets released. Other accessories include the shoulder mount, top and bottom rails, mattebox, followfocus, the larger screen, an EVF, the breakout box, the handle, and of course a PL mount.

[trspballer7]

Not when it is released, but in like three or four years, after the price goes down. And by then, I will be almost done filmschool.

[WesScog]

The S35 is the one i'm planning on aiming for too, i'm already setting money aside for it.

[Fisherking]

I've been whoring myself. My dignity for a Scarlet? Sounds like a good deal.

[stikyfingas]

S35 but I'm gonna wait til 2010 to let the updates work out.

[MitchellStafiej]

First I need a computer that can handle it...

Then the camera. I need a good paying job though.

Mitch

[Zacatac]

I'll be ordering one Day 1

[Scott]

First I need a computer that can handle it...

Then the camera. I need a good paying job though.

Mitch


Same here.


Mitch

[Zacatac]

I have the 15inch lowest price MacbookPro (not the most recent generation) and i can edit 4k Files fine with CS4.

[MitchellStafiej]

I have the 15inch lowest price MacbookPro (not the most recent generation) and i can edit 4k Files fine with CS4.
Does CS4 support 4K?

Mitch

[nooneimportant77]

It's not really a question of 4K, it's the codec. Check the Red site to see if it is supported. I'm not even totally sure what codec Red uses. It's RAW, but there's still some other stuff involved.

[Zacatac]

Does CS4 support 4K?

Mitch


yep, and it natively supports red R3d files

[thepie]

yep, and it natively supports red R3d files

The RED workflow is still F'd. RedCine and RedAlert are crashy and buggy, and those of us with CS3/Windows can't play the QT proxies and there is no R3D support for CS3 yet. Still.

Luckily I use FCP for my editing, so I have no problems.

[WesScog]

And thankfully I have CS4 and zoom right through it.

[Zacatac]

The RED workflow is still F'd. RedCine and RedAlert are crashy and buggy, and those of us with CS3/Windows can't play the QT proxies and there is no R3D support for CS3 yet. Still.

Luckily I use FCP for my editing, so I have no problems.


thats because cs3 is the last iteration, cs4 supports r3d, i doubt they will go back to an earlier version to support it, when they want you to buy cs4 and spend more cashy money

[thepie]

thats because cs3 is the last iteration, cs4 supports r3d, i doubt they will go back to an earlier version to support it, when they want you to buy cs4 and spend more cashy money

That is absolutely absurd. CS3 was released in April 07. Red said they were working with Adobe for a plugin, yet it never came.

[WesScog]

Except they released the Plugin for Adobe software in December.

[MitchellStafiej]

Except they released the Plugin for Adobe software in December.
Really?

So does that mean I don't have to upgrade to CS4?

Mitch

[WesScog]

No you've got to get CS4 if you want to install it. It's compatible with CS4.

[WesScog]

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3999/mysteriumxqt3.jpg (http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3999/mysteriumxqt3.jpg)

Another sample image from the prototype "Frankie 2" operating with the sensor that is going to be in the Scarlet.

This one is also drastically scaled down from the final size of the image, but still looks pretty darn good to me.

[KMProductions]

Oooh, Thats a nice image. I really hope I'll get to mess around with one when they come out.

[stikyfingas]

That's a great image but the DoF is so razor thin, almost worries me. I know I would mess that up a lot need to get a bigger monitor before scarlet.

[WesScog]

Yea, you'll probably need to invest in a larger external monitor if you want some precise focusing.

I love how shallow the DOF is though, you'll be able to get some really cinematic looking images (dof-wise) with this, that's for sure.

I wonder if this is the Prototype with the "built-in" lens that they have planned for the 3,700 kit, or if it's a prime.

[thepie]

Well Frankie 2 is using the Mysterium-x S35 sensor, so it's gonna be a prime. Probably a Zeiss UP or something.

[WesScog]

http://redgrabs.com/izzy/

Check this motion shot out. Looks AWESOME.

[Skycarl]

Wow Wes, now that is cool.

[MitchellStafiej]

http://www.redgrabs.com/up/1236274637.jpg

[Hugo_Fuchs]

If it was in the sub 4000 market I would work My ass of at any job available to get one.
The second estimate is probably closer although Id say it might be a bit dearer.

Scarlet 3K 2/3" Body Only - 2/3" Mysterium-X sensor, 120 fps (150 fps burst) - sharing specs with Scarlet Fixed 8X in a smaller body. Fully compatible with all RED DSMC accessories, the 2/3" camera outperforms cameras 20 times its price. Able to accept a wide range of lens mounts, including mini-RED Primes, B4, C mount, PL, 35mm and more, depending on the interchangeable mount selected, the range of applications are endless. This is the camera that many asked for when the fixed lens Scarlet 2/3" was announced. We listened and we designed it for those that asked. For $2.5K.

Buy/rent lenses as needed. Much better than a Fixed 8X T2.4 zoom lens lense @ $3k.

Add on another $750-1000 for a full kit without the lense.

[WesScog]

Well you will be able to get the full kit (battery, monitor, recording module, control module, brain, and lens) for $3,750.

[stikyfingas]

Sadly, I gave up on my scarlet dreams; bought a HMC, sgblade and primes. Perhaps, I will sell them off when it becomes closer to reality and pony up some more $$ for a scarlet but I got tired of the waiting.
Though, I do think that the 35mm adapter people must feel like their days are numbered. (as will be the resale value of my blade)

on the bright side a lot of HV30 guys will have the pick of the litter of cheap letus, M2 and the like...

[michaelbak]

Red released footage yesterday of a prototype scarlet using using a 2/3" chip version with a Red 100mm lens. The footage is of a employe's pet and the footage looks wonderful!
http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1_izzy2.jpg

http://redgrabs.com/izzy/

[MitchellStafiej]

OH MY GOD IT'S COMING THROUGH MY SCREEN!!!

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES.

In all honesty, that's pretty beautiful. I want that camera.

Mitch

[michaelbak]

Damn , Wescog beat me to it like he always does. It's in the red scarlet thread.

[knightly]

I'm curious to see what the DoF looks like from farther back instead of a macro shot like that.