Neil Peart vs. Mike Portnoy?

[etentertainment]

Who's the better drummer.

Many people say Peart is
but I like both...

They both have a different style of
drumming. Peart is more of original
content and writing songs/ lyrics and
having 30 minute solos in his songs with
Rush.


Portnoy has alot of talent with riff's
and drumming in general and just
the basic techniquest blended into
a vast arrangement with his set. He
incorporates his whole set with everything.

[BackyardProductions]

they are both amazing but i have to say neil peart because i like his style more.

[ericslovechild]

Who vs Who?

[Alasdair]

who cares, drumming takes no talent. You're just hitting something with a stick.

If I ever form a band it will be all drummers so we don't need musical talent at all!

[punkandska66]

its harder than you think

does playing guitar take talent, then? all your doing is scraping metal wires with a small peice of palstic and moving your fingers, right?

hitting a drum isnt drumming. if you are on a drum set you have to use both arms at the same time, and it has to still have musical value. same thing with your feet, you're working the hi-hat and the bass. and then you have to put all those together so you are playing with both your feet and you're hands and it all has to fit.

i'd like to see you try against some one who has been playing for only one year, and i bet you they will be better than you because its not just hitting, its an actuall instrument that you gotta practice with.

[Alasdair]

guitar doesn't work - you have to rapidly change your fingers from position to position while keeping them from getting all tangled up and keeping the notes in your head, it requires high manual dexterity.

Drumming is hitting something with a stick. I guess sometimes you hit different drums with sticks.

It's also the only instrument you can learn to actually play from rockband

[Flamingo With A Spoon Productions]

A good drummer should know that a 30 minute drum solo is a bunch of pretentious crap. A good drummer knows how to put the right beat to the right tune and not decend into a load of prog rock boredom.

Some examples of proper drummers that know that simplicity is the key are: Scott Asheton, Tommy Ramone and Paul Cook.

30 minute drum solos? How can you sit through that? Its a buch of unlistenable arrogance and self indulgence. And incorperating every part of your drum kit in one song is just "hey look at me aint I great?".

Both of those drummers just masterbaite their egos.

[BackyardProductions]

guitar doesn't work - you have to rapidly change your fingers from position to position while keeping them from getting all tangled up and keeping the notes in your head, it requires high manual dexterity.

Drumming is hitting something with a stick. I guess sometimes you hit different drums with sticks.

It's also the only instrument you can learn to actually play from rockband
you dont learn anything from playing rockband there is actually technique used in drumming it takes a hell of a lot more coordination and physical strength and endurance then guitar and its a lot harder to learn

[Alasdair]

What's the difference between rock band drums and real drums, in both you're hitting something with a stick, there's your technique. Oh it requires a lot of physical strength and endurance to move that stick and hit a drum with it. Maybe if you're using steel rods with weights on them.

I think it's hilarious that anybody would seriously say that drumming is harder than playing a guitar. There's a reason why drummers are so easily replaced in bands.

[etentertainment]

Drummers are actually hard to find. You can find more guitarists and bassists than drummers.

You have to play with both hands and both feet. I don't think you've ever played a musical instrument, but they're all hard to play. It takes practice.

You don't just hit random drums to make a song.
Each drum makes a different sound and you have to play them
correctly. You can't just hit different things around...I don't know what kind of drum set you're thinking about, but it's not those little electronic ones. It takes alot of strength, you have to be coordinated and alert at all times, and listening to the music. It's not easy playing for over an hour when you're at a gig or something...especially heavy metal or rock music.

Rock Band doesn't count...it's all fake. It's a game. You can learn to play the notes, and get used to the beats and stuff, but you're not actually playing a REAL drum set. The real thing is much more different than virtual drums.


I suggest you take a trip down to your local music store, and try playing on a set. Then you'll be back here editing your posts.

[Alasdair]

Er, I have played real drums as well. It's pretty much the same. I just feel like a wanker hitting something with a stick.

[etentertainment]

Have you played any other instrument?

[Alasdair]

Trumpet, guitar, tuba, and the recorder to some extents - why?

With all of them it took a lot of practice before it sounded good. With drums as I'm hitting them with a stick it sounds exactly the same as somebody drumming all their life.

[etentertainment]

Okay, record yourself playing the drums, then show it to us.

So you're saying, you can sound as good as Neil Peart. He's been playing professionally since age 12 or something.


Let's see.

I can play trumpet, guitar, recorder, violin, drums, tambourine, piano, keyboards, harmonica, electric guitar, bass, tenor sax, and much more...
I can't read music on all of them..I don't know all the notes, but I can still play them...it doesn't sound like the greatest music ever, but I still can play them

I've been playing violin for 8 years...that one, I can play the best...and I've been playing percussion since I was 3.

[Alasdair]

I don't have a drum set - I have college to pay for and don't need something fancy and expensive to hit with a stick.

[BackyardProductions]

lets get a video of everyone who thinks drums are easy trying to play this song:
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=21689116
i have been playing for 3 years and it was still hard for me to play that song
(by the way i no it is shitty)

[Alasdair]

Where's the hard song? Is it hidden behind the fat kid hitting those soup cans with a stick with shit audio?

[BackyardProductions]

Where's the hard song? Is it hidden behind the fat kid hitting those soup cans with a stick with shit audio?
hey that fat kid is me

[Alasdair]

Maybe you should put the drums away and get a salad instead just saying

[etentertainment]

LOL....Soup cans...those soup cans cost over $1,000.
The shit audio is from the camera, and his CD player kept skipping.

Now, I want to see you play that.

[Alasdair]

As I said before, I don't have 1000 dollars to burn so I can look like a wanker hitting them (some of us have an education to spend it on) with a stick so some wanker on an online message board can continue to deny that playing the drums is easy as shit

[etentertainment]

Check this video out:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pmMAPjgYims


She just started, and she's reading notes...why don't you go over there
and tell her you don't need notes, and teach her. Tell her that it's
very easy.


Maybe it's easy for you, but it's hard for everyone else.
I would still like to see a video of you playing.

[Alasdair]

Everybody except drum snobs think that drumming is easy mang

And I've told you why there won't be any video unless you want to see one of me playing rock band at my friend's house, or send me a drum kit.

[BackyardProductions]

Maybe you should put the drums away and get a salad instead just saying
you know what fuck you i may be fat but that does give you a right to make fun of me for it ive been trying to lose weight so you can just shut the fuck up

[etentertainment]

Well you can go down the the music store, and tell them that ETEntertainment will give them advertising space on www.classicrecords.info for 20 bucks a month, if they let you video tape yourself playing the drums.


And sure, I'd like to see you playing Rock Band. Who agree's?

[BackyardProductions]

And sure, I'd like to see you playing Rock Band. Who agree's?
i agree

[etentertainment]

My brother agrees as well.

[Alasdair]

Fatties don't get an opinion sorry

[etentertainment]

I don't think that was BackyardProductions (http://forum.indymogul.com/member.php?u=12609) playing in that MySpace video.

So what if it was him, and he's a fattie. He didn't even look fat.

[Alasdair]

you can tell he's fat because he's playing drums instead of a real instrument

[BackyardProductions]

that was me in that video

[etentertainment]

Just because you play the drums, doesn't mean you have to be fat.

Read about the origin of drums...they are a real instrument:

www.ethnicdrums.info
www.ethnicdrums.info
www.ethnicdrums.info
www.ethnicdrums.info
www.ethnicdrums.info
www.ethnicdrums.info
www.ethnicdrums.info

READ it...and learn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Alasdair]

Ethnic drums? That sounds a bit racist. Drums only for black people?

So drummers are racist as well as having no musical talent and being fatties?

[etentertainment]

that was me in that video


Cool dude.....Don't listen to that Alasdair (http://forum.indymogul.com/member.php?u=15242).

I bet he doesn't even know what a double bass pedal
is...He can't even play one even if he practiced for a year.
I've tried playing one, and it is very very hard.

Hey, are those Vic Firth sticks? I have those too...they're dark green right?

[etentertainment]

Nice China cymbal too...and that crash next to the ride looks a little too high...
Is it comfortable for you up there?

[BackyardProductions]

Cool dude.....Don't listen to that Alasdair (http://forum.indymogul.com/member.php?u=15242).

I bet he doesn't even know what a double bass pedal
is...He can't even play one even if he practiced for a year.
I've tried playing one, and it is very very hard.

Hey, are those Vic Firth sticks? I have those too...they're dark green right?
they are ahead sticks there pretty good. Ive seen the green vic firths before are they any good? The second crash was pretty high i moved it down alot after a while it got kind of uncomfortable to play

[etentertainment]

Ethnic doesn't mean for Black people. It said that drums started in Africa, that has nothing to do with the website's name.

Ethnic = pertaining to or characteristic of a people, esp. a group (ethnic group) sharing a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like.





See?

[etentertainment]

they are ahead sticks there pretty good. Ive seen the green vic firths before what are they any good?


Umm..your sticks looked pretty thick so I thought they were the green Vic Firth's.

Those green ones are marching sticks...so I don't recommend drumming with those. I think medium ones are good for your type of music.

[Alasdair]

Man I bet you didn't know that drums were invented by the ku klux klan, right?

Racism really is no laughing matter etentertainment, my mom is black and has had to deal with discrimination all her life

[etentertainment]

I never said that and I never was laughing.

Go to wikipedia and learn.

[Alasdair]

Why do you hate black people so much? What have they ever done to you?

[New Spark Films]

The drums aren't easy, maybe they are easier than the guitar (for the record I'm a guitarist) but it still takes talent to play them. That being said, nobody wants to hear a 30 minute drum solo. Drums help keep the rhythm of a song and a good drummer knows how to make a song sound good, not just show off their talent.

[ericslovechild]

Alasdair WTF??? Are you on drugs or something? Why are you making fun of someone for being overwight? That's low, man. Really low. And he didn't say anything bad about black people. And why are you so obessed with saying that the drums are easy? You ever heard what happends when a kid plays the drums for the first time? Ouch. You have to learn them just like any other instrument. But Being a jerk about the drums is something I don't really care about. Stop making fun of fat people and calling people racist when they haven't said anything racist.

[Alasdair]

If fat people don't want to be made fun of, maybe they shouldn't have gotten fat in the first place!

[BackyardProductions]

If fat people don't want to be made fun of, maybe they shouldn't have gotten fat in the first place!
you know theres something called genetics asswipe

[IrishDrummer7707]

Totally Peart, he ROCKS!:hbang:



P.S Alasdair drums are not as easy as you think, their are TONS of rudiments (styles) and notes.

[Alasdair]

so you have to do a little more than skinny people, big woop - genetics alone doesn't mean shit, because you still have free will. Don't shift personal responsibility onto nature.

[jared]

WOAH
WOAH
WOAH
...woah.
settle down, kids.

[CreatiVideoFilms]

JARED HAS SPOKEN!

Also, quit being a dick Alasdair, arguing about drums is one thing, being a complete asshole is another thing. Which would be makeing fun of people that aren't as thin as you think they should be. Some people have slow metabolisms and have genetics that make them like that not just that they don't exercise or overeat.

[etentertainment]

What does weight have to do with playing the drums? I'm skinny and I play the drums...what's wrong with you?

[CreatiVideoFilms]

What does weight have to do with playing the drums? I'm skinny and I play the drums...what's wrong with you?
Me?

[etentertainment]

No, not you...Alasdair (http://forum.indymogul.com/member.php?u=15242).

[Flamingo With A Spoon Productions]

I've already said this but hre goes...again...

A good drummer should know that a 30 minute drum solo is a bunch of pretentious crap. A good drummer knows how to put the right beat to the right tune and not decend into a load of prog rock boredom.

Some examples of proper drummers that know that simplicity is the key are: Scott Asheton, Tommy Ramone and Paul Cook.

30 minute drum solos? How can you sit through that? Its a buch of unlistenable arrogance and self indulgence. And incorperating every part of your drum kit in one song is just "hey look at me aint I great?".

Both of those drummers just masterbaite their egos.

Anybody else agree?

[ericslovechild]

And seriously, being fat is nothing to laugh at, as being skinny is no acid trip either. Take it from someone who weighs... (steps on scale) 103.5 lbs.

Oh, and I do't do acid. :steve:

[etentertainment]

Yeah...Research a little more Alasdair....

[Brainstrained]

Anybody else agree?

Hear Hear!

[BonOfTheDead]

i play both drums and guitar, and the drums vs the guitar are about the same level of difficulty.

"A musical instrument is a device constructed or modified for the purpose of making music. In principle anything that produces sound can serve as a musical instrument."

that works.

[etentertainment]

Just another way to prove Alsadair wrong.

[motleyhead]

I would have to say Neil Peart is Way better because he donst need to have a ego about his drum playing, On the other hand Portnoy is allways boasting and acting arrogant , Eg ( the new dream theater album special edition on the dvd portion Mike did most of the talking). Neil also out plays portnoy there my 2 cents on this topic.

[Flamingo With A Spoon Productions]

They both have MASSIVE egos. They have ego elephants.