Music for your Movies?

[Flamingo With A Spoon Productions]

Hammer got sued for sampling Rick James and it was just a clip repeated. Same for Vanilla Ice/Queen

Bittersweet Symphony by The Verve.

They sampled a rare Rolling Stones live show orchestra bit and now can't make any money off of there most famous and most well played song.

[KMProductions]

So, does that mean that you can use up to 10% of any song, completely free of any charge? (assuming you credit the artist, of course)


Yeah I made another post in the other thread but yeah 10% with artist in the credits.
So if you have a 3 minute song, you can use 18 seconds.

You may have heard that you can use 30 seconds however that is not true. That comes from the thought that 10% of 3 minutes is 30 seconds but since minutes are 60 seconds it is really 18 seconds. So keep that in mind.

Remember I am 99.9% sure so don't sue me if you get sued. (though I don't think you will.)
My dad wasn't totally sure about that but my media teacher says that's how it woks.

[WesScog]

My dad is in the music bussiness and he said that legally you can use 10% of the song without breaking any laws

So a song that is 3 minutes, you can use 18 seconds for free.


And public domain in the US is 75 hours after the owner dies. Elvis hasn't been dead for 75 years, therefore Hound Dog is not public domain.

That's only for unpublished works.

Published works before 1923 are public domain.

And anything recorded before 1978 is covered under common law copyrights, which differ from work, to work.

[Brainstrained]

Deleted by user.

[WesScog]

Huh?


I live in Canada anyways, does anybody know how Canadian public domain works?

50 years after the death of the author.

[grosenblum]

If you want to get permission, my one question is who to contact? The label, the band, the band manager, who?

[rrh]

I live in Canada anyways, does anybody know how Canadian public domain works?

You can always ask the Wizard!
http://www.edusource.ca/craw/PD_Wizard.html

Stupid wizard isn't working. Try this instead:
http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/sc_mrksv/cipo/cp/copy_gd_protect-e.html#11

[Flamingo With A Spoon Productions]

The label are probably your best bet.

[KMProductions]

That's only for unpublished works.

Published works before 1923 are public domain.

And anything recorded before 1978 is covered under common law copyrights, which differ from work, to work.

OK. I don't know much about public domain, so I'l go with you on that.

[rrh]

http://www.newenglandfilm.com/news/archives/00july/music.htm

[BeyondForeverFilmss]

Im 100% sure this is supose to be Under 'Questions' not 'my projects'


Stop The Spam.

[Flamingo With A Spoon Productions]

Why should we listen to you? There's only one lawman I listen to:

http://i18.tinypic.com/8e9saif.jpg

SHERIFF WESLEY SCOGGINS!

[BeyondForeverFilmss]

Looks like i won haha.

=)

[Dream_Academy]

;)Why should we listen to you? There's only one lawman I listen to:

http://i18.tinypic.com/8e9saif.jpg

SHERIFF WESLEY SCOGGINS!

And it's generally not a good idea to p!ss him off.

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1913/6487mediumjf9.jpg

Here he is storming the front door of a crack house in Detroit. Not for selling crack, mind you, but for abusing the terms and conditions of the forum.

[Roel]

Bittersweet Symphony by The Verve.

They sampled a rare Rolling Stones live show orchestra bit and now can't make any money off of there most famous and most well played song.
the problem was that they asked (and as far as i know got) permision from the orcestra who only hold the recording rights.

the copyright of the composision is with the composers, in this case the roling stones.

And as far as i know the 10% rule was chaned when sampeling took of. its now cheaper to record a string orchestra than use a 2 second sample.

Mabey Indy Mogul can do a weekend extra or blog entry on copyright because this is one of many treads on the subject

[DeviousTom]

go on myspace

find cool bands and artists

say yo bitches let me use yo music aiight??

they say.. aiiightttt

then you use it!

[Dream_Academy]

go on myspace

find cool bands and artists

say yo bitches let me use yo music aiight??

they say.. aiiightttt

then you use it!

just make sure to get it in writing. "but your honor he said 'aaiiightt" doesn't exactly hold up in court.

[moustrapfilms]

Not to take over this thread, but would it be legal to get a band to cover the songs you want to use, and then use them?

Keep in mind you're not looking for great quality.:)

[gcubedproductions]

Gotta get permission.

[rrh]

would it be legal to get a band to cover the songs you want to use, and then use them?There are some compulsory licenses for covers, which would mean you still need to pay the song writers royalties, but the terms are pre-defined, you don't need to negotiate them yourself.

However, I'm not entirely clear yet on whether compulsory licenses cover synch licenses. (Permission to use a song on a soundtrack)

[HunnyBunchFilms]

There is no way any very small production can afford license rights to any song. Movies with budgets set out at least a couple thousand dollars just for music. But you can use any piece music you want as long as you aren't making money off of your finished product. Very old classical music is free to use though.

[baron von fogel]

I'm actually trying to deal with this issue as we speak... I am trying to use a song in my end credits, and I started by trying to contact the band via their myspace, but got no response. Then, I contacted their record label, who told me that first I need to contact the band's publisher. Now I'm going through issues trying to get the publisher to give me the rights to the song, and once I get that permission (or purchase it) I'll need to go back to talking to the record label to get them to agree as well.
All of this is so that I can submit the film to student festivals and upload it to youTube (legally). What a pain in the ass...

[Bones]

Anyone know where I can find some free cheesy eighties music? I want to use something super eighties sitcom-ish for the end of a vid im finishing up. thanks guys

Bones

[FyceDesigns]

Try looking around a few audio sites:
-http://flashkit.com (http://flashkit.com/)
-http://sounddogs.com (http://sounddogs.com/)
-http://soundsnap.com (http://soundsnap.com/)

Good luck!

[HunnyBunchFilms]

If your using a mac there's a lot of cheesy stuff in Imovie, Soundtrack Pro, and Garage Band.

[Kohrsfilms]

You might try this site.

http://www.sonnyboo.com/music/music.htm

They have several free 80's sounding songs that could work.

[Whole Milk Productions]

Poison!

[Imbender]

What is the chance of a semi to famous band actually letting you use thier song even when you explain to them they already have lots o cash and you don't plan on making tons o cash if any at all and just contacting them so you don't get sued?

[Zabren]

lol...
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1913/6487mediumjf9.jpg

Here he is storming the front door of a crack house in Detroit. Not for selling crack, mind you, but for abusing the terms and conditions of the forum.

[amc760]

Is it just a school project or something? If you don't need rights or anything, just download the Wedding Singer soundtrack.

[amc760]

Try looking around a few audio sites:
-http://flashkit.com (http://flashkit.com/)
-http://sounddogs.com (http://sounddogs.com/)
-http://soundsnap.com (http://soundsnap.com/)

Good luck!

Hey, Fycedesigns,

i was checking out Soundsnap..so whats the deal with this music?

Who do you contact for rights? lots of cool stuff on there.

[fadedxmasfilms]

I'm finished shooting an awesome thriller maybe for film fights but it'd really help if I had some creepy background music!
please help!

[nooneimportant77]

make it?

[dimaxx]

try Silent Hill OST

[SudanatorG1]

Where does Indymogul get their intro songs and sound effects?

[bubblefax]

From their editing programs

[SudanatorG1]

thanks

[dahlroth!]

garage band...

[nooneimportant77]

garage band...

QFT

[Snuf]

Try looking into a program from Sony called Cinescore. It's a little pricey but pretty cool as you can import yout video into the program and sculpt the custom royality free music around your video.

[KMProductions]

ACID is another Sony software that you can add in loops and make them whatever length you want. It's a lot cheaper than cinescore (100 USD) and it comes with 1001 royalty free loops that you can use.

[speekerphone]

http://mobygratis.com

[sonnyfromda02]

ACID is another Sony software that you can add in loops and make them whatever length you want. It's a lot cheaper than cinescore (100 USD) and it comes with 1001 royalty free loops that you can use.

You can get Acid Xpress 5.0 for free from www.sony.com (http://www.sony.com) or www.acidplanet.com (http://www.acidplanet.com) On acidplanet, you can get a free 8 pack every week. The only bad thing about it is you can only render 20 mp3's before the license expires.

[etentertainment]

www.mobygratis.com

Everyone was talking about that site for the past month.
Use the search button.

[smashingrobkins]

This is a thread so if u found or have trailer music share it with us. and i have a collection my self. so if theres any title of trailer music or genre(epic,comedic,etc.) ill see what i can do! :D

[speekerphone]

i don't have any, but i despritly need it!

[smashingrobkins]

anything perticular. i can help

[HunnyBunchFilms]

Some idiot I know likes to record music(steal) straight from dvd menus. He'd use the music in his projects. But you shouldn't do that.

[smashingrobkins]

it probably came back with horrible quality audio ..enless he used some type of tv to computer/laptop connector.

[speekerphone]

i need like action type music, thanks

[HunnyBunchFilms]

The quality of the sound was good, but in reality he was stealing music.

[smashingrobkins]

alright. all my music is usually with free liscenced or i found it somehow on a random web search
:)

[smashingrobkins]

No Requests for trailer music i have them in .mp3

[AlienWaveFilms]

I need some type of suspense music...something that starts out calm....then gets crazy...(not like heavy metal or anything)
Thanks.

[nooneimportant77]

designer sound effects, buy it. i HIGHLY reccomend it, i use it in everything. i even hear some of the sounds in real trailers.

[WesScog]

Moved, since it technically doesn't have anything to do with the Show.

[smashingrobkins]

o.im sorry i didnt know where i posted the thread.and yes for the suspense music thing i am looking for exactly the right piece that u want :)

[ace24]

http://www.savefile.com/files/1341089

there you go.

[Dingo-John]

the famous (or else not so famous, but SHOULD-BE famous) Search Button...

Please... www.mobygratis.com (http://www.mobygratis.com)
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/
http://www.soundrangers.net/
http://www.incompetech.com/
http://www.royalty-free.tv/

Please use these and also use the search button

[Sam_rocks321]

Sony Acid or make your own

[smashingrobkins]

thnx for everything so far i did send the people who wanted trailer music PM's with the link and i only ask one thing!!!!

PLEASE I NEED TRAILER RISES AND BUILD-UPS THERE ARE SOME ON DESIGNER SOUND FX BY VIDEO COPILOT

and im sure other people need them too so please give us the link or rapid share site!! :fcross:

thanx!

[toppie34]

on page 5 of the blog there called a blog called Cody wants you to use his S**T! (http://www.indymogul.com/post/4092/cody-wants-you-to-use-his-s-t) he gives out some free music just watch the vid and go to the site for music

[nooneimportant77]

why dont you (if you're on a mac) just open garage band, and learn to make some drum build ups.

[smashingrobkins]

thats the problem, i wass supossed to get a mac for christmas!:grumble:

but i didnt.so i dont have garage band or anything.AND I REALLY NEED BUILD-UPS AND RISES..


so can someone please post it for me and others :D

[smashingrobkins]

pwease, someone help me!!!:'( lol

[HotBlooded103]

action movie kinda like james bond. also fight music.

[Tacitcal_nudge]

The quality of the sound was good, but in reality he was stealing music.
freedom of information act bud. move to Canada its all legal here. just give the proper people credit :D

[nooneimportant77]

i'm willing to do the sound for a few trailers, i have lots of experience with many programs including pro tools, logic, and soundtrack pro, i've got TONS of trailer type things, including the wonderful designer sound effects.

i'll do a FEW not everyones.

[bubblefax]

sweet could you make like a horror one i don't want it to be horror but like the heart beat and the funky little eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee thing when something creepy happens.

[michaelbak]

If You scroll down there is a thing called "Orchestral Phrases"I use them alot

http://fxhome.com/sounds/

and

http://www.videocopilot.net/dsfx.html

[nooneimportant77]

sweet could you make like a horror one i don't want it to be horror but like the heart beat and the funky little eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee thing when something creepy happens.

haha sure, just give me a link to the trailer, and i'll add in the score.

[bubblefax]

Well i am thinking of adding it in myself cause i need to add and do a lot of things to make the music more unique so could you give me the link to the music.

[nooneimportant77]

not really, i'd be making it, and building it all just for the trailer.

[lilmatrix8]

Got any Ideas? I'm making a Insane action movie and need some intense, but you know like gentle well just some good music. Thanks :D

[Captain SteveBeard]

http://www.filmfights.com/index.php?pageid=21191

Scroll down until you see public domain music resources, and check those sites. Search action music, intense, etc.

[BROKEN Productions]

im selling a short film on DVD and since we cant use copyrighted material, i was wondering if there are and bands on here that can give me there non-copyrighted music and we will give you credit, needs to be alternative rock:fcross:

[WesScog]

http://forum.indymogul.com/showthread.php?t=4694

There is a thread of people submitting their own music. Check it out.

[BROKEN Productions]

sweet

[BROKEN Productions]

sorry i forgot the search:/

[toppie34]

yeah and i remember a blog being up once about that it was like toby wants you to use his s****

[WesScog]

http://www.indymogul.com/post/4092/cody-wants-you-to-use-his-s-t

[Sam_rocks321]

Ive found some sites but those are only if you have Quicktime Pro but I dont, They can be .MP3 or .WAV or any other formats for windows

Thanks
SAm

[joeyrules92]

Whenever i make movies, i can picture what a scene is going to be like, and it usually involves copyrighted music of some kind. copyrighted songs just work so well, and i cant use them. i also dont have any friends who are stunningly talanted in music, and i'm not at all. action scenes especially work better with copyrighted music. does anyone know any good sites with pre recorded music legally available, or some way to get permission to use a song?

[cubes]

http://www.shockwave-sound.com/, and ebay, search royalty free music. I bought wavracks off of ebay, 14 cd set for $69, not a bad price plus the license fee is included.

[cubes]

Try ebay, and type in royalty free music. I bought a 14 cd compilation from wavtracks there for $69 including the license fee. Also shockwavesound.com another source, unless you are doing theatrical release, the purchase price usually covers the license for web or up to 5000 copies on dvd ETC.

[speekerphone]

use http://www.mobygratis.com

[Westcroft]

This has been asked multiple times, please search before you post.

[InsaneSparrow]

When Indy Mogul went to Sundance they interviewed moby about his new free music project, mobygratis.com

I signed up for an account there, and it's pretty good, it just depends on what you need.

[Rhajastan]

http://bhfilms.blogspot.com/. theres an article about free music

[HunnyBunchFilms]

Imovie, soundtrack pro, and garageband come with loyalty free music.

[etentertainment]

Unless you don't own a Macintosh, then you have to use anything above what HunnyBunchFilms said.

[Sam_rocks321]

I have searched, no results.

[New Spark Films]

That's because you can't spell background.

[Sam_rocks321]

I realized that but I can not change the title.

[speekerphone]

http://www.mobygratis.com

[cronaldo]

mobygratis is your best bet. That's by far the best I've found. Especially if you just enjoy ambience

[speekerphone]

o, i have an idea.........use the dang search button

[WesScog]

http://forum.indymogul.com/showthread.php?t=4694

We have a community project we're trying to organize, A LOT of community produced music in the thread that you can use for free.

[westonwellman]

where could i get some like dramatic music?


Thanks
Weston Wellman

[Philthy]

There are tons of sites that will give you free sound FX and music. Just google it.

[WesScog]

http://forum.indymogul.com/showthread.php?t=4694

There are a LOT of people right here on this site offering their own music for free. Check it out.

[Baldwookie]

Does any one know of a website that has free copyright free music to download. I need music for my film. I tried composing some using sony acid but it dosent sound all that good. THANKS

[The_Count]

there have been a lot of threads about this recently.

http://forum.indymogul.com/showthread.php?t=4694

thats a community one where you can find musicians (including me) who are willing to compose music aswell as a list of sites with free music such as mobygratis.com

[The Chosen]

Would it be illegal to use copyrighted music in a film? One that I have no intention of selling, just showing?

Muchos gracias!
- TC

[BinBinProductions]

o well if its on youtube and its not commercial, than you can, but if its commercial you cant.

[WesScog]

No, it's still illegal even if it's on YouTube and it's non-commercial.

Fair use is applicable for... 'criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research.'

So if you're a journalist and you're talking about a song, you might post a sample of it or something.

Or if you want to play a song or a film for your music or film class, that would be ok.

Non-Commercial use does not protect you from litigation, the Judge is just highly unlikely to press charges if you made no money off of their work, and it's proven you weren't TRYING to make any money off of their work, but that isn't an absolute that is just an increased potential depending on the judge you get, to POSSIBLY protect you from litigation.

Now making a parody of a song for commercial use is TOTALLY ok, Weird Al for instance usually tries to get the original artists permission but he by no means has too.

[The Chosen]

But what about those "music videos" where people will take clips from a TV show and put it over a full, copyrighted song? Wouldn't a film and a fan video using music kind of be the same thing?

[WesScog]

They can be taken down by the copyright holders request (Like if for instance I made a music video using clips from "House" over "Sabotage" by the Beastie Boys, both Fox or the Beastie Boys could contact YouTube and request it to be removed.) but sometimes, just SOMETIMES the Copyright holder doesn't care, or just hasn't seen the clip yet, or chooses not to litigate for some personal reason.

It doesn't mean they CAN'T press charges, or that they never will, it just means there are so many clips and so many people doing it and not making money off of it that they can't logically go after everyone, so they ask YouTube to just take the videos down.

It's illegal, and they could push charges if they wanted too, but most likely they'll just ask YouTube to take it down.

[Apocalypse WOW!]

yea but, seriously, who would sue for something that makes no money?

[Citrus]

What if it's for a film festival at a school. You don't make any money unless you win. Does that count?

[WesScog]

What if it's for a film festival at a school. You don't make any money unless you win. Does that count?

It might be protected under educational use, but really, Fair Use laws aren't a sure-fire protection, they are fluid.

It's UNLIKELY that a company will sue for something non-commercial and educational, but it's NOT IMPOSSIBLE that they will.

Also, how will they know about it unless someone tells them?

[WesScog]

yea but, seriously, who would sue for something that makes no money?

Like I said before, it's HIGHLY HIGHLY unlikely that a company will press charges for something non-commercial, but it's not IMPOSSIBLE.

If you're just putting it on YouTube, most likely they'll just get YouTube to take the video down.

Most companies simply don't have the resources to go after every kid who syncs up clips from "The Office" to Sufjan Stevens. But that doesn't mean they can't if they wanted too.

[etentertainment]

www.mobygratis.com

[felix78]

Actually, alot of bands have become famous ONLY becaus of Youtube. Like the band "evergrey" they arn't famous at all, but every person who comment their music vids on Youtube sais like "HOLY CRAAAAP HOW COME I NEVER HEARD OF THIS BAND BEFORE!!!!?".

So it's not a question wether you can get sued or not, it's of the music makers wants to sue you. now, i know that it's different in America, in some places America is called "the ultimate sue country" becaus people sue other people for nothing.

[WesScog]

Yea, it's really easy to sue here. It's because in a lot of places, if you have a law degree, you can pretty much sue anyone for anything, and it doesn't cost you anything because you aren't paying for a lawyer (because you're your own lawyer). And the other person even if they eventually win, you don't have to recoup them for all the money they lost fighting you.

But yea, it's just if they WANT to sue you, they'll most likely just ask you to take it down, but if you aren't doing it for the reasons I listed, like parodies, academic, or journalistic reasons, it's generally illegal, they CAN sue you if they want because you're doing something illegal.

It's up to the judge to dismiss it or not. Most likely no one is going to sue you, but they COULD if they wanted because you are indeed doing something illegal.

[The Chosen]

Okie doke -- thanks guys! Maybe a gigundo disclaimer stating I'd take down anything that a person/company wants taken down? I'll have to try that...

And again, thank you.
- TC

[harveytwoface999]

I need help finding some stock music. (I'm pretty sure Incompetech doesn't have it though.) To be specific, it's the music at the very beginning of this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmegPg00zCc

[toppie34]

you know that copyrighting....... thats illegal (learn about the legal system )

[Herk522]

lol great clip!

[lyhoproductions]

I'm making a rap video and am planning to use the current super time lapse music. But It's not on garageband.com. Is there a place on the internet I can get it. And can you guys please send a link and don't be harsh.

[lyhoproductions]

Can some please help me?

[toppie34]

go to extras and download the file and try to take out the people talking and kind of repeat it over and over again

[lyhoproductions]

I don't know how to take out the voices. I'm just an amuture. But I do know how to make rap videos. Where in extras is it anyway?

[rrh]

I think most of their music is from Garage Band loops.

[toppie34]

there was a tutorial in the questions forum a few days ago on how to do

EDIT here the link = http://forum.indymogul.com/showthread.php?t=5726

[toppie34]

oh an its down where it says create your own episode download it adn cut the other things out exept the super time lapse

[toppie34]

oh andd wait i cant remeber but i think there arent any voices in that super time lapse and also notify me when the rap is out i want to hear it

[Kekkas]

Indy mogul should have a episode based on the 4 min school thing on how to make filmmusic.:D'
Or maybe a contest on making it.
Its much more fun to make a film if you have your own soundtrack to it.

[EATERoftheDEAD]

There are lots of resources for free music out there. I usually use the music of Kevin MacLeod.
http://incompetech.com/m/c/royalty-free/

If you want real bands you can always browse MySpace Music for local bands that have a sound you like and ask if they want to do a song for a movie. most will be ecstatic to do that and before you know it you'll have a soundtrack.

Of course, it seems you may mean the actual composition of music and in that case there is a Weekend Extra episode that contains information on that sort of thing.

[WesScog]

http://forum.indymogul.com/showthread.php?t=4694

There is already a community organized project here where a lot of musicians here on the forums are sharing their music for free as long as you give them credit.

[Kekkas]

Well.. i happens to make my own music as a matter of fact.
Fruity loops is really good for that kind of music.
Been working with it for 4 years now.
but i was only thinking maybe in a larger scale.. it would be fun for everyone to know how to make your own soundtrack.:)

[lyhoproductions]

Can someone try and search for the song on garageband.com and send me a link? Or can Erik give me a link to the song? I tried looking in extras on the make your own episode thing but it wasn't there.

[glmclainmovies]

why don't you do it?

[CB2001]

My weapon of choice is The MTV Music Generator for the PC (which I used to compose the music for my short film "The Old Playground" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mtlmA6ln4E)). It may not be easy to use, but it's something that's useful in creating minimalistic/techno/hiphop beats and music.

[Shade2193]

Why does classical go so well with an epic or tragic moment? I.E. in Punisher, when the Punisher is fighting the Russian. Just......thought, you know, awkward...

[redtail5]

yea, that is a Totally weird question !?!?!?! , yet a Totally weird question thats desperatly needs an answer

[Shade2193]

love your sarcasm:cool:

[nassersays]

I'm not exactly sure why. I know that, in my favorit movie of all time, BATTLE ROYALE, they would play classical music as people are dying to give it a more disturbing effect.

no one would expect calm, beautiful classical music to be put together with blood, gore and violence

[CTrax]

To be perfectly realistic in the situation - if you look around there are a LOT of movies, shows, ect. that use classical music. The biggest reason is that these creations are old enough to legally be counted as public domain. It's recognizable, very well created music, and hiring a small orchestra for a few hours is relatively inexpensive (especially when you're looking at paying large sums of money and royalties to someone who writes the music specifically for your film).

Why it fits? Mostly because most classical music is amazingly dramatic and emotionally charged.

[google550]

Play against emotion, really! You'd find that envokes a lot more emotion. Why? I don't know.

[lyhoproductions]

why don't you do it?
I tried looking for it on garage band a week ago but couldn't find it.

[ArmedSaint]

I think that the orcastra just has so many instruments that is just sounds powerful and intense i love it

[ionfilms]

The emotions are kind of similar. Drama is a big part of an epic scene and also in a tragedy.

[gcubedproductions]

I think it's mainly because emotions can be conveyed relatively easily through classical music. Also, there is a lot more creative freedom in making a soundtrack if it is classical, you know? Look at Hanz Zimmer: everything from The Last Samurai to 300 to a bunch of other stuff.

[ArmedSaint]

any1 know of any program that you can make music using loops similar to mac's garage band... i don't have a mac i use windows i tired using acid but want not sure how to use it and it looked like it had no music loops

[ArmedSaint]

anyone home???? ;(

[sonnyfromda02]

You have to buy loop packs for acid.

[ArmedSaint]

do u know of any free programs???

[sonnyfromda02]

I use acid xpress 5.0, which is free, and have just been downloading the free 8 packs for a while. I'm not good enough at it to invest in it yet. You can get it from www.acidplanet.com (http://www.acidplanet.com/).

[Citrus]

fruity loops. http://www.fruityloops.com/

[toppie34]

i dont know if it can do that but audacity maybe could i dont know because i use acid 6.0 pro

[ArmedSaint]

fruity loops is demo not free ;(

[redtail5]

but you can export so who the fuck cares!

[BinBinProductions]

acid is the WORST!!! i hate it. GARAGE BAND IS THE BEST!

[mrsnowman]

There really is no other option, I guess you have to get a mac.

[delish23]

I would test out audacity. I normally use proTools, which is definately pro-sumer. But I needed a program that didn't require external hardware so I downloaded audacity a couple weeks ago. It seems promising. Worth checking out. And free. Though, not sure if it is PC friendly...as I don't have one.

[CB2001]

My prefered program of choice is the MTV Music Generator (I used it to score my short film "The Old Playground").

[sonnyfromda02]

I would test out audacity. I normally use proTools, which is definately pro-sumer. But I needed a program that didn't require external hardware so I downloaded audacity a couple weeks ago. It seems promising. Worth checking out. And free. Though, not sure if it is PC friendly...as I don't have one.

A friend of mine has ProTools. Very Impressive software. Yes, Audacity is PC friendly. I have it on all three of my computers.

[Giark]

If you have a bit of cash to throw around, check out Cinescore from Sony. Very interesting stuff and pretty simple. I'm planning on using it for the TV Series I'm working on this year (on air this fall).

[sonnyfromda02]

If you have a bit of cash to throw around, check out Cinescore from Sony. Very interesting stuff and pretty simple. I'm planning on using it for the TV Series I'm working on this year (on air this fall).
I just downloaded that trial this morning to see if I want to actually purchase it.

[ArmedSaint]

my friend has audiocity but does it really have sound loops??

[Direktor]

You'll have to download loops for audacity (if it will import them even). I recommend Mixcraft it's pretty much Garageband for windows and it supports Sony Acid loops, Garageband loops, and one other kind I can't remember at the moment.

[darzeth]

Fruity loops is pretty good, its just takes a bit of time to get use too.

[yuloveme537]

Alright, I have looked around this bored and found some other post's about using music and where to gt it, but when the links are followed they usualy bring to a site where in order to actually use the music you have to pay royalties, So I did a google search, and still couldent find what i needed.

So my question to all of you is, Do any of you know a site where you can get truly FREE music for your films. I need a variety of genres, from acoustic to death metal.
So does anyone have a website?

[glmclainmovies]

Newgrounds. they have an audio portal. All you have too do is ask the creators nicely and they'll almost always say yes. noone has said no to me yet

[yuloveme537]

Newgrounds. they have an audio portal. All you have too do is ask the creators nicely and they'll almost always say yes. noone has said no to me yet

I am looking for music tho, Not little midi and FL creations.

[redtail5]

moby gratus

[trspballer7]

N. HAZEN...aka newsparkfilms makes music...he made it for my short jack and jill, I would greatly reccomend him.

[Wraith 5]

www.freeplaymusic.com is another. It's royalty free, but on the condition that you won't be making profit from your film. Check their legal section for what you can and can't do. Even then, the copyright lisence fee isn't too much compared to other sources.

[yuloveme537]

www.freeplaymusic.com (http://www.freeplaymusic.com) is another. It's royalty free, but on the condition that you won't be making profit from your film. Check their legal section for what you can and can't do. Even then, the copyright lisence fee isn't too much compared to other sources.


I already checked that and even emailed the guy about it, and it is actually quite a lot of money and work, the music is NOT free, I repeat it is NOT free, basically what you can DL is samples in case you want to use it, EVery use other than a school project requires you to set up a license and pay for it.

[yuloveme537]

moby gratus

Who or what is Moby Gratus? and where can I locate said thing?

[WesScog]

http://forum.indymogul.com/showthread.php?t=4694

We are trying to organize it here on the boards, people submit the music for others to use in their own projects as long as you credit them. Check it out.

[kpb730]

Who or what is Moby Gratus? and where can I locate said thing?

It's moby gratis. You can find it at www.mobygratis.com. It is the music artist Moby. Supposedly you can get licensing within 5 working days, but I have been waiting longer... :supermad:

[BRanger62]

I really hate to use somebody else's music when I know I can make my own with Garageband.

Does anybody know what I should do to connect my keyboard to my Mac and compose music with it?

[moustrapfilms]

You could go to a place like Radioshack or Best Buy and ask them if they have a USB or Firewire cord that will connect to peripheral devices, like your keyboard. They also have keyboards that are designed to plug into your computer. I'm sure they're relatively inexpensive.

[BRanger62]

I have one of my own keyboards and I am looking for a firewire cable to connect my computer to the keyboard, I just need to know how I can connect it to something like Garageband. I'm just a little iffy n the details

[killkhan]

I have one of my own keyboards and I am looking for a firewire cable to connect my computer to the keyboard, I just need to know how I can connect it to something like Garageband. I'm just a little iffy n the details

It's fairly simple actually (not trying to put you down). It's just like setting up a midi interface.

First, get the correct cable to connect the keyboard and the computer.

Second, plug it in. It should be plug and play so if it is not recognized by the computer, check out a grageband support forum.

Third, open garageband preferences and go to audio/midi.
There should be a thing that say you have 1 midi input connected.

Fourth, I'm pretty sure of this but don't quote me here, change the audio input to your midi device. Then click out of preferences.

Fifth, create a new track. Set it as a software instrument, that way it won't record through your microphone but through the keyboard instead.

Sixth, make sure the track has the record button selected

Seventh, hit the master record (not really what it's called) and begin playing.

Hope that helps!!!:fcross:

[evanx10]

i need a place to get some GOOD music for my up and comming movies, please help!!!

[jugglingfreak]

This guys stuff is pretty good. You can't be too picky when you are begging for free stuff..

http://www.incompetech.com/m/c/royalty-free/

[WesScog]

http://forum.indymogul.com/showthread.php?t=4694

Here.

[Vaughn Whynot]

anyone know where i can get some heavy beats for skate videos
like a hip hop feel

[jburas]

http://www.mobygratis.com/film-music.html

[Vaughn Whynot]

thanks

[ArmedSaint]

theres quite a few websites out there just take the time to look on google

[mathechew]

Hello,

What music was used for the 21 Demo-video? Where did you get it? I'm assuming it's royalty-free, as you guys would be pretty stupid to not use royalty free (I can usually recognize stuff from soundtrack in their).

Also, how safe is it to post my scripts up here for review? I'm just wondering how much I should be worried about someone else stealing it. Some other forums I've frequented usually attract people with low morals, and I most certainly would expect someone to steal it.:'(

Thanks!

Sorry if these have been asked before... I tried searching for things like "music used in 21 video", but the search feature doesn't like words that are less than four letters. :supermad:

[google550]

For the demo video? I have no idea.

I'm always worried about people yoinking my scripts, so only post it if you're comfortable, but I've posted 1 or 2 before with no problem. (As far as I know.) If you're really concerned, send a hard copy of the script to yourself in the mail, and you can use it as proof by the postmark.

[blender81]

If you mean the commercial they play in between each episode - I believe it's Spoon from the album GaGaGaGaGa - no joke that's the album title - Great band! Great Album!
If this is not at all what you were asking - it's cool...gotta give Spoon a shout out, son!

[KMProductions]

If you mean the commercial they play in between each episode - I believe it's Spoon from the album GaGaGaGaGa - no joke that's the album title - Great band! Great Album!
If this is not at all what you were asking - it's cool...gotta give Spoon a shout out, son!


No it isn't.

Search "Break on Through" on itunes. You'll get it there. That's the title of the song.
And it's not royalty free. It's a song by a band. It was also on Tony Hawk's Underground 2. The producers of 21 have to pay the band to use that song.

[blender81]

i gotta play that commercial again are you talking about the song near the intro?

[blender81]

The 21 commerical intro song is by Spoon called Mathmatical Mind from their Album Gimme Ficiton

[mathechew]

Thanks for your help guys (and girls?), but I was actually talking about the song in the demo video... as in the indy mogul one.

Oh, and I do know what royalty free means, which is why I was assuming that the gents over at indy-mogul didn't have the money to pay a band for that song. Seeing as they're pretty well spread out among people, I'm guessing they wouldn't risk being sued for using a non-royalty-free song. etc. etc. etc.

Anyways, that's a good idea about mailing a script to oneself. I think I saw that on Monk once... Will courts accept that? It's not like I'm planning on doing anything that would get the courts involved or anything, I just like to know stuff...

[KMProductions]

The 21 commerical intro song is by Spoon called Mathmatical Mind from their Album Gimme Ficiton

Oh yeah I listen to it again, and I was talking about the second song in the commercial. Sorry

[Direktor]

My friend was telling me about something about a fair use contract the other day. He said that if you use say, music, for under 30 seconds it's considered fair use and you don't have to pay copyrights. Is that true? It just seems like it wouldn't work like that...

[WesScog]

No, pretty sure that's not true. Fair Use only applies under circumstances such as, Parody, Educational Purposes, and Journalistic or Research purposes.

So if you wanted to test the effects of Rolling Stones music on Rats, you don't have to ask permission. Or if you want to talk about the History of Music and play a clip
from an important song of the 20th century, that'd be ok, or if you wanted to do a report on a new album, or play a sample from an album while talking about maybe the effects of its content.

Otherwise, if you aren't paying royalties, you're running foul of the law, regardless of whether they will press charges or not.

Now if you use a sample from a song in your YouTube clip, or you make a fan music video, is it likely that anyone is going to press charges as long as you aren't making a profit? No, its highly unlikely.

Does it mean that they CAN'T? No, they can, they own the music and control how it's used whether you're making money off of it or not.

[PhreakStudios]

no idea on the music

in terms of the script. once you've written it, send it to yourself, don't open it. if you're in america, then you can also pay like $50 or something similar to get it copyrighted or something like that (not 100% sure)

once you've received your script back. you can rest assured that if you post your script online after the stamped date on envelope (as long as said envelope hasnt been opened) you'll be fine if someone decides to steal your work afterwards

if you want opinions before you finish the first draft, then just publish a sample of your writing style.

[Direktor]

That's what I thought. Thanks WesScog

[mathechew]

no idea on the music

in terms of the script. once you've written it, send it to yourself, don't open it. if you're in america, then you can also pay like $50 or something similar to get it copyrighted or something like that (not 100% sure)..........

Sounds good... Once I finish I might post it up here, then maybe post the finished product... I'm lucky enough that my co-director/producer/friend has a tax attorney who wanted to start a production business. He bought all of this equipment, then something happened and I guess he stopped trying or something... Long story short, he's letting us borrow his $5,000 camera with interchangeable lenses, etc. Yay!

So no-one knows the music? Is there any special way to go about asking Eric and crew? Sorry... I'm still rather new to the forums.


Thanks a bundle!

MAT

[missupernatural]

On YouTube I have music videos, and one of mine was "flagged". What I found strange was that it gives you the options and consequences of if you choose to take it down or not. The option it gave me was if I was to keep it up on YouTube, nothing would happen! I was full on prepared to take it down but apparently it was okay. That left me scratching my head for a while.

Now, my distance media teacher has set us a video assignment, and she discussed with me at length the issues with music and copyrights.

Apparently, you are able to use 10% of a song for educational/private/non profit purposes. However, if you were to enter said video into a festival or display it in the public domain or profit from it, you are breaking copyrights.

The only way you can "legally" use someone else's music in your videos is if you get permission from the artist and the company which holds the license for that song. However, if you were to perform a song yourself, you only need permission of the artist.

Hope that helped. =)

Edwina.

[Fisherking]

All information presented under the best of intentions, but recollect that I am not a lawyer. I have no formal legal training. If you need legal advice, visit a competent attorney. That said:

Fair use is a very interesting, complex legal concept, which (as I understand) is unique to the USA. Contrary to popular belief, it does apply to commercial products, but that may make it harder to substantiate your case than were it academic in nature (citation below).

Apparently, you are able to use 10% of a song for educational/private/non profit purposes. However, if you were to enter said video into a festival or display it in the public domain or profit from it, you are breaking copyrights.

That 10% myth is ubiquitous and I'm not sure why.

'Fair use' is far more nebulous a concept than that. Here's the applicable section of the US copyright code, reproduced from the Cornell University Law School (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.html):

"Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000106----000-.html) and 106A (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000106---A000-.html), the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include—

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;
(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors."

Note that the conditions are unquantifiable. One is bound by "the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation [...] to the whole," as opposed to any specific duration or proportion of work. It alludes to how the derivative piece reflects upon the original work, but in no great detail. Being non-commercial will likely give you some degree of leniency, but it certainly won't put you in the green. Basically, it is up to the judge to decide, based on the considerations outlined in the copyright act.

Any use of copyrighted material is questionable. The copyright holders can take you to court and you will have to argue that your derivative work satisfies all the conditions of fair use. Even if you win, you won't get back the wasted time and money. My advice: Don't do it, no matter what legal justification you may think you have.

Hope this is helpful.

[thepie]

Also, if the work was created before 1924, it is public domain, and can be used without permission. This probably doesn't help at all, just thought i would say it though.

[toppie34]

you know i dont use copyrigted songs at all or reall sometimes (dont tell) i take an infamo song that nobodie knows and put it in there i know it copyright and i shouldnt do it i just do it

[AC Films]

What do you think would make a great music video?

[ciwi286]

give us a little more detail...what kind of song is it? Is there any way we can listen to it? What are the band/artist like?

[loststudiosltd]

I think the best music videos are more like short films set to music.

When I'm about to make a music video I just close my eyes and listen to the track and let my mind paint pictures, and figure out how I can make those images into something filmable.

I personally think making music videos takes a lot of instinct, and definitely a lot of creativity.

You should just trust your own filmmaking instincts and do what you can to create imagery that compliments the music.

The music videos I absolutely hate are the ones that seemingly have nothing to do with the music or have an incredibly shallow concept such as "Look how hot the lead singer is!!!"

hope that helps

[BinBinProductions]

different angles. originality

[google550]

You'll notice that many music videos either feature stories or random bits of footage.

Pick one or the other, and then get a LOT of different shots. And the stupidest thing you could ever do was not to storyboard for a music video. Make your storyboards VIBRANT and DESCRIPTIVE.

[toppie34]

extreme angles good sound quality no cheesy looking backgrounds exept for paridories then you need to make them as cheesie as you can

[AC Films]

I did one before. How did I do?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibdS7QHnFbo

[ibend1]

try to stick to what the song is actually saying when telling your side story. Dont have a song about dancing ponies and have a side story about medivil times... unless the video is meant to be hilarious

[randychico]

Based on my own experience I can give you two tips.. First, definitely plan ahead, KNOW what you're going to shoot, sure you can improvise some things but it'll be waay easier with an outline on hand, especially in post production.

Second... one word... tripod.

[AC Films]

yeah. really REALLY good tips. The reason that music video was that good was because it was a last minute thing. We had the song I'm So Glad by Cream planned out but geeze you should of seen us. We had a new angle every 2 seconds, so that meant we had to stop the audio, and there was only 2 of us there. I wish I still had the clips. We really underestimated how hard it would be.

[blender81]

Pretty cool music video directors to check out are:
Spike Jonze - Weezer, Bjork, The Breeders, The Pharcyde, etc.
Michel Gondry - Foo Fighters, The White Stripes, The Chemical Brothers, Etc.
Akiva Schaffer - We Are Scientists
Roman Coppola - The Strokes

These guys have all gone to do major motion pictures so they're pretty cool to reference.

Others that have done music videos and films are:
Brett Ratner
McG

[randychico]

Another thing.. the great thing about music videos is that you can go CRAAZyyYYyyYyyy!!! You can use every filter and transition from your editing software and still look cool and/or interesting. You can have a martian dancing with a lamppost inside of a fish tank and it doesnt have to make a whole lot of sense.

[BinBinProductions]

I did one before. How did I do?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibdS7QHnFbo

it was ok... to much infront of the camera, but other than that pretty good. EXCEPT for the "singers" little stache. he needs to shave. hahah

[lyhoproductions]

Any other help?

[Hoboman]

Where does indy mogul get their music?
i heard the bfx theme song somewhere else and i was wondering if there was a site where we can download music that isn't copyright. So, where can i find it?

[samthemusicman12]

I am a fellow final cut studio 2 user, as indy mogul is. i wanted to know this too, so i lookd into it. soundtrack pro comes with fcs 2, so i looked there, and that is where i found every single piece of music they have ever used. So, you haveto get soundtrack pro to get all of their music. (and sound effects, etc.)

[BinBinProductions]

it might be garage band cause the music on their sound track is in garage band. correct me if im wrong

[KMProductions]

They use sounds and jinles that come with iMovie and any mac Computer.

[ishakebabies]

Believe it or not but the main BFX jingle is from iMovie; a lot of songs that we use are actually from iMovie, it's the easiest place to find uncopyrighted music.

Unfortunately, if you know all the songs from iMovie you can recognize them every single time someone uses them, right away, and it haunts you...like a ghost! Darn you iMovie!

[BinBinProductions]

iMovie? are you shure its not garage band? and why is your name now Ishakebabies?

[ishakebabies]

I am 100% sure it's iMovie, I worked with iMovie for so long I cannot get those songs out of my head. And what do you mean why is my name Ishakebabies? This has always been my name, I just changed my picture. Maybe you're thinking of HunnyBunchFilms...he's still around. lol

[BinBinProductions]

oh... wait... you guys are different people?

[ishakebabies]

Lol of course we are different people. We're partners in our production company though, Hunny Bunch Films, that's probably why you got confused. We share a you tube page and we are both interns here at Indy Mogul. Hope that clears it up.

[xjakknifex]

If you want original stuff written for the movie make a posting on your local Craigs List. A lot of local music makers will trade music for C+C (credit and copy of the film) to compose something.

[trspballer7]

N. makes great ROYALTY FREE music for FREE! HERE (http://forum.indymogul.com/showthread.php?t=4694)

he did it for my movie jack and jill.

[crazyjack]

They get their music from a mac its on imovie and garageband:steve:

[toppie34]

oh guys garageband music and imovie music is generally the same because its from the same place on your mac the diffrence garageband is espaciily made for music so its has some more options and imovie is for movie and music but espaccialy movies

[17thletterfilms]

You could also try MixCraft4. www.acoustica.com

[bubblefax]

Where can i download some awesome slo mo walking music.

[The_Count]

try the countless number of royalty free music sites that have been listed on the forums before. it should help :)

[bubblefax]

What would it be called

[Vaughn Whynot]

http://www.mobygratis.com/film-music.html

[toppie34]

the rocky balboa music tutututthuuu tututututuuuuuu tutututhuuu tutut tut tut thuuuuuuu thu tu thuuuu

Edit sorry wrong song its not from rocky its from another movie but i do tghink it was featured but i can remembering that it was in there but provally not

[FreshMentos]

Chariots of Fire is a good song to use. You just won't be able to make money off your movie if you use it.

[raid168]

where did you get background music for your film? I can't make any music,any place has free resource?

[Havoc]

Search button.Hazen Zero has a thread that tells you he will make music for your movie if you put him in your credits.Also this should be under questions.By the looks of it your new here so welcome to forums just remember search questions first then ask.
here is the link hope it helps.
http://forum.indymogul.com/showthread.php?t=4694

[xjakknifex]

I use
Free Sound, Jamendo, Incompetech, and my friend who's in a techno band .

[Eight Legged Freak]

"Battle Without Honour or Humanity" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnfFTVjRpLI), obviously. Good luck licensing it.

[Vaughn Whynot]

local bands and http://www.mobygratis.com/film-music.html

[Westcroft]

Newsparkfilms has created a project that is trying to help out the indy community http://www.freefilmmusic.tk/

[Vaughn Whynot]

if he did it threw ning site he could set up music on the site that you could pre listen to and users can download from

[lasalite]

isohunt.com

[New Spark Films]

if he did it threw ning site he could set up music on the site that you could pre listen to and users can download from

I'm working on it, I can't afford to put up a website and Purevolume only allows 4 songs. I AM working on it though.

[Vaughn Whynot]

whats the link?
edit - never mind its in your sig

[Westcroft]

www.purevolume.com/westkroft/ (http://www.purevolume.com/westkroft/) that one is mine, I do the same thing as well

[mopman]

I'm not a big fan of Haven Zero's stuff, from the samples it sounds like a bunch of fruity loops effects thrown together, I use friends music most of the time and my bro as well (I usually pay 10-20 bucks and give em the credit)

[Westcroft]

I'm not a big fan of Haven Zero's stuff, from the samples it sounds like a bunch of fruity loops effects thrown together, I use friends music most of the time and my bro as well (I usually pay 10-20 bucks and give em the credit)

I really dig Haven Zero's stuff, it's hard to not use samples considering people want a variety of instruments used. For example, not everone has access to a brass and a woodwinds section.

It's free though, you can't beat the price.

[JackLawrence]

I'm not a big fan of Haven Zero's stuff, from the samples it sounds like a bunch of fruity loops effects thrown together, I use friends music most of the time and my bro as well (I usually pay 10-20 bucks and give em the credit)

He can hear you!

To answer the question though this place does great stuff for free that you can use:

http://incompetech.com/m/c/royalty-free/

I use it for almost everything instrumental. Basically background music for lots of different moods. Just remember to credit the guy. Theres some great chase music.

[New Spark Films]

I'm not a big fan of Hazen Zero's stuff, from the samples it sounds like a bunch of fruity loops effects thrown together, I use friends music most of the time and my bro as well (I usually pay 10-20 bucks and give em the credit)

Hey thanks!

But seriously it doesn't really matter that much to me what you think. The people I've made music for seemed satisfied and if you're willing to pay for your stuff then good for you.

And yeah, I don't have a full orchestra stuffed in my closet, I need to use samples. Just remember that when you're showing a bunch of random people your movie and they hear that, they're not going to think "hey I recognize that from FL Studio!".

Anyway, to the people who appreciate my work, I AM trying to move away from FL Studio. I'm taking a bit of a break so I can write some music for my own projects, but when when the Free Film Music Project reaches the top of my priority list again pretty soon I'll have some things I think you guys will like.