Mac vs. PC

[gcubedproductions]

Okay, so a ton of threads i visit have back-and-forth arguments about whether PC or Mac is better for indie filmmaking. Well, here we settle it out.

[Iris Van Entertainment]

There have been a zillion of these threads.

Heres my two cents:
PC. The laptop I'm looking at is 500$ less than the Mac laptop I looked at. And the PC one even has a bit more power! I have used both and honestly can't tell the difference as far as performance.

However, if you want a computer for prettiness, Mac is the way to go.

[17thletterfilms]

You'll hear it both ways. It really depends on preference.

[Crosius]

Yep. It's totally a matter of personal taste.

But this thread will degrade into posts bashing the other system, and then into posts bashing the users of the other system, eventually.

[Captain SteveBeard]

Mac's suck! The system is complete crap and if you're a Mac user you have no life.

[Atomic Samurai]

Paper or plastic? Up or Down? Blue or Red? Betty or Veronica? Will the Madness ever stop?!

[17thletterfilms]

Yep. It's totally a matter of personal taste.

But this thread will degrade into posts bashing the other system, and then into posts bashing the users of the other system, eventually.

It'll be a repeat of the iPod/Zune thread.

[NaziActionFigure]

Hmm, no one seems to be too extreme.
Eentertainment will come here and fan boy it up I'm sure.

[Crosius]

We're all too busy trashing the other computer platform in one of the other billion threads like this one.

[forkazoo]

Are you more productive in Final Cut, or Vegas? For most moviemakers, the availability of Final cut is pretty much the only question of any concern.

I still don't understand why it has to be a matter of one platform or another winning. If your last system was a PC, look at a Mac. If your last system was a Mac, look at a PC. Having diversity on hand means that you have more capability overall, regardless of which is "better."

[SPARC]

I thought this was going to be a meaningful thread about how you made a parody of the Mac vs PC commercials by Apple.

[toxicvarn90]

You forgot Linux w/ WINE...or is that considered PC?

Mac I like...but only because of their software which is UNIX based. I've only used Windows 98se...so I can't really judge Windows...but I heard that Vista SP1 is really good and actually worth upgrading over XP for.

Mac hardware...crap...expensive and too closed in.

If you guys want Mac-like hardware. Buy it off from their manufacturer: Asus, which makes the best laptops IMO.

[DeviousTom]

It'll be a repeat of the iPod/Zune thread.


Why was that even an argument? Zune's are so much better XD

(joking about making it an argument but I do think zunes are better)

[Doctor Webley]

Again, it depends on what kind of user you are.

Mac's have a very user-friendly interface. Apple is appealing to baby-boomers who want to be in on new technology, but don't exactly have the technical know-how.

The Windows interface is more complex, it uses a lot more of "right-click", and typing. In Windows there is much less "click'n'drag". Meaning, you can do more with Windows, if you know how to.

Linux (if we even want to go into it) is realativly uber-complex. But you can do just about anything with it.

Personally, I believe its not the OS, but the hard/soft ware. Sure if you have Avid on a PC its going to be much better than iMovie on a Mac. And if you have Final Cut Pro on a Mac, its going to be much better than Windows Movie Maker.

[Crosius]

Again, it depends on what kind of user you are.

Mac's have a very user-friendly interface. Apple is appealing to baby-boomers who want to be in on new technology, but don't exactly have the technical know-how.

The Windows interface is more complex, it uses a lot more of "right-click", and typing. In Windows there is much less "click'n'drag". Meaning, you can do more with Windows, if you know how to.


It would be more accurate to say that most mac users are probably gen-X (not boomers), probably work in a technical field and use PCs at least part of the time at work. The parents of mac users probably also own macs, because mac users do tire of troubleshooting their relatives' machines every Christmas & Thanksgiving.

macs have right click/context menus. macs also have just as many keyboard shortcuts & options as windows. I think your impression of OS X is a bit inaccurate.

[ECWNET]

final cut owns

[Doctor Webley]

It would be more accurate to say that most mac users are probably gen-X (not boomers), probably work in a technical field and use PCs at least part of the time at work. The parents of mac users probably also own macs, because mac users do tire of troubleshooting their relatives' machines every Christmas & Thanksgiving.

macs have right click/context menus. macs also have just as many keyboard shortcuts & options as windows. I think your impression of OS X is a bit inaccurate.

I was not saying that Gen-X did not use Macs, rather I was simply stating that Apple gears their OS to be user friendly. True, Macs do have a right-click, but it is not used nearly as much as in Windows. Macs are also not used extensivly for technical work, maybe in isolated instances. But the vast majority of software is developed for Windows, and only now Mac is beginning to break through.

[etentertainment]

final cut owns

Yeah....

Actually I don't really care...it just has to get the job done,
but Macs get the job done more reliably. I think that's the right
word when you're going to compare Macs and PCs for editing.
Which one is more reliable.

[Crosius]

The "macs are designed to be user friendly" statement is such a bizarre comment from windows users.

What are PC's designed to be, then? User-hostile? Or are PC's just not designed to be user friendly as successfully as macs? Neither is a particularly charitable extension of the initial suggestion.

And why is the mac's user-friendliness always trotted out like its a bad thing (or at least a toy-like quality)? As though a user friendly machine can't possibly be as useful or powerful as a machine that is less simple to use.

Why are windows users assuming that macs aren't providing both power and ease-of-use? It's a false dichotomy.

[WantedinMalibu]

Gues who just broke the tie?

[NaziActionFigure]

Yeah....

Actually I don't really care...it just has to get the job done,
but Macs get the job done more reliably. I think that's the right
word when you're going to compare Macs and PCs for editing.
Which one is more reliable.
Why would you say that?

[Iris Van Entertainment]

Paper or plastic? Up or Down? Blue or Red? Betty or Veronica? Will the Madness ever stop?!

Plastic: Believe it or not they are better for the environment. They require less energy to produce. Fact.

Down: Because I'm afraid of heights. Opinion.

Red: Because it's the color of blood. Opinion.

Betty: Because it's easier to say and it's the villain's "name" in Kung Pow: Enter the Fists. Fact.

Will the Madness ever stop? No. I'm afraid not. Fact.

[Crosius]

Plastic: Believe it or not they are better for the environment. They require less energy to produce. Fact.


They're also easily and cheaply recycled, unlike the paper ones. Which should be a good thing.

Unfortunately, only 3% of plastic bags get recycled - the rest wind up in landfills, where their persistence interferes with decomposition, or adrift in the environment, where they choke & kill wildlife.

The best answer is actually neither. Re-useable bags are much, much better than either type of "disposable" bag.

[Iris Van Entertainment]

They're also easily and cheaply recycled, unlike the paper ones. Which should be a good thing.

Unfortunately, only 3% of plastic bags get recycled - the rest wind up in landfills, where their persistence interferes with decomposition, or adrift in the environment, where they choke & kill wildlife.

The best answer is actually neither. Re-useable bags are much, much better than either type of "disposable" bag.

It was also proven that the fact that they require less energy to make overrides their decomposition rate more so than paper. Watched a study on it.

[mrsnowman]

Gues who just broke the tie?

Dude, shut the f**k up...

[mrsnowman]

MAC>pc
:learn:

[NaziActionFigure]

http://imagecloset.com/8/6c2c39d9ecb5507e0c487684147680f6/Untitled.jpg (http://imagecloset.com)

[DarkMirageProductions]

PC

-More editing software choices that are compatible than Macs
-You can actually upgrade a PC
-More power at a smaller price

The list goes on and on...

(But just don't get Vista, get XP)

[HunnyBunchFilms]

I voted for mac. I don't see how anyone could say pc. I had a pc all my life and every attempt I made at capturing footage onto it was a complete hassle and rarely worked. Also Windows Movie Maker was a chore to learn. But when I got my mac book pro last year it was so simple capturing and editing footage. No drivers or extra cd's to install or anything i just hooked up my camera and the mac read it. Imovie was easy to learn and I was able to get Final Cut Express and now I'm editing in that. I don't see why anyone would want to edit in anything besides final cut(or even avid). They are both industry standard programs and every company I have ever worked at edit using either of those two programs.

[ibend1]

Dude, that pocket knife pic. is sweet...

[ibend1]

Also, think of the price. Mac can be several 100 dollars to over one thousand dollars more than a pc that has the same power...

[KMProductions]

http://imagecloset.com/8/6c2c39d9ecb5507e0c487684147680f6/Untitled.jpg (http://imagecloset.com)

:loco:
haha yeah sure. It's really the other way around. If your really honest you have to admit that Mac does have more features than Windows. (Imovie, IDVD, Iweb, .mac, itunes, ical, dashboard,) Windows coppied Mac so much with Vista. *laughing*

[rab236]

MAC IS THE BEST:thumbsup: (http://www.youtube.com/v/siSHJfPWxs8&rel)
click the red link above.

[TheChaos92]

lol neither system is really that good, but truthfuly the pc is better at most, no not at film making, but at most everthing else, the reason for that is because bill gates made a better operating system by stealing other peoples ideas.... apple stood alone and kept ther own ideas, making a good graphics and film making cpu but a bad OS.... also KMP microsoft did not copy mac with vista, the stole most those idea when XP was just comming out

[Vaughn Whynot]

PC

-More editing software choices that are compatible than Macs
-You can actually upgrade a PC
-More power at a smaller price

The list goes on and on...

(But just don't get Vista, get XP)
good luck buying xp
they don't sell or make it anymore lol

[TheMan24]

They may be cheaper, but will slowly lose their "charm". I bought my HP Pavillion just over a year ago, it was $1500 with everything I needed. Within that short time, I have had a countless number of problems. From fried chips, burnt motherboards, bad monitors, constant freezing, Vista crashing, and random shutdowns. I had the worst of it for some reason. Then, I get a severe case of spyware which lead to serious virus problems, which were not covered by HP. Got it through some sort of email or something my friend sent me. So I took it to Geek Squad. That cost me about $315. Then, my 1 year warranty was up. I had to by it, seeing all the problems I have had. That ran me $235!!! I spent $550 in one year on computer problems!! I am still on that same computer and it is slow, it's glitchy, just not good. I have to send it in again because me screen is slowly fading away. It's like my computer was in a war against itself. I am fed up with all this PC crap. This was suppossed to get me through college, my ass! I customized my MacBook Pro with someone over the phone, which was great and I didn't wait long and didn't have to give any info whatsoever, besides my email so they could email me all the specs I want. Mac is the way to go. All the people I know that have Macs swear by it and haven't had one single problem with it. They may be a little more but keep away all the headaches, and let you get stuff done, without worrying about how you go about doing it. I am going Mac.

[OutOfTheBoxStudios]

Having used a PC until under a year ago, I must say, I will never, ever, go back. Now PCs do have their strong points, but the issues that my PC had within 2 years of purchase were ridiculous. A top of the line Dell, maxed out for everything, and the motherboard dies a year and a bit after purchase. Also in the time I had the thing, the power board died, one part melted itself. Now, that's mostly Dell's fault, but it is part of the PC bundle. As for software issues... The number of glitches, lost files, viruses was ridiculous.

On my mac now, I have never lost a file (even by carelessness, it takes seconds to locate what you need). I can open any file type you throw at me(other than those for apps I don't have, or .exes). Managing my footage libraries, graphics storage, portfolios, photoshop renders, all incredibly easy. The drag and drop interface makes life a whole lot more pleasant. I don't see why PC users always go on about the fact that it's "simplified". The fact that I don't have to do incredibly complicated tasks to certain tasks far improves my workflow, allowing me to easily organize everything and find all my stock and resources. Spaces is an incredibly useful tool when I'm compositing, editing, or making graphics, I can zip from template to template in seconds.

I work as IT support for my parent's and grandparent's PCs, and let me tell you, I have to solve something (and no, not just an old person problem) at least once a week. Now, I'm not bashing windows, having been a windows user way longer than a mac user, I just think that Mac makes my workflow much easier than a PC.

That's my 2 hundreds.
(If you speak french, you'll get that one, if not, you lose.)

[Magical Monkey]

Macs the best for filmmaking!

[OutOfTheBoxStudios]

Macs the best for filmmaking!

Word to the Monkey.

[NaziActionFigure]

Macs the best for filmmaking!
That's completely ridiculous. It's like saying that pens are better for writing poems than pencils.

The amount of ignorance and gullability in this thread is insane. Every other person here as drank the Mac kool aide. People like that are marketer's dreams.

[BlueDudesStudios]

mac all the way

[TheJoker]

Macs are great but to be honest you don't need one to make a good film

[maxxy]

i dont see why the voting part doesnt have a choice saying, "I dont give a $H!^"

[freakonaleash223]

Macs are great but to be honest you don't need one to make a good film

Well said. I have a mac, and I love it. I think you vote for what you have. But honestly Macs ARE better for simple creative stuff. Like if you wanted to make a quick little compilation of your vacation, u just drag and drop. However, PC's are better for gaming. But overall, I think that buying a mac is a smartER choice.

[TheMan24]

http://imagecloset.com/8/6c2c39d9ecb5507e0c487684147680f6/Untitled.jpg (http://imagecloset.com)


Those are all the tools needed to fix your PC within the first year.:D

[freakonaleash223]

^^ hahaha

[_ray_biddle_]

That's completely ridiculous. It's like saying that pens are better for writing poems than pencils.

The amount of ignorance and gullability in this thread is insane. Every other person here as drank the Mac cool. People like that are marketer's dreams.

It is personal preference. Making films on PC's doesn't have what i feel is bet editing software, Final Cut Pro.

I also had to have it for school.

There's really not much difference in using a Mac and a PC.

[OutOfTheBoxStudios]

That's completely ridiculous. It's like saying that pens are better for writing poems than pencils.

The amount of ignorance and gullability in this thread is insane. Every other person here as drank the Mac cool. People like that are marketer's dreams.

Whatever NAF. PCs are good, Macs are good. I prefer Macs, but I can use PCs as well. Not everyone is a fanboy.

And personally, I don't see what's wrong with saying Macs are good. You seem to think that's some sort of godawful crime. Macs are just as good as PCs, no better. They just have less issues.

[elscottomagnifico]

And personally, I don't see what's wrong with saying Macs are good. You seem to think that's some sort of godawful crime. Macs are just as good as PCs, no better. They just have less issues.There isn't anything wrong with saying Macs are good. They are good computers. The problem is that many people are used to the mac fanatic types who push Macs onto other people by touting Macs as the greatest machines ever made, while bashing any competing non-Mac computer. Some people will tend to overreact because of the overabundance the Mac fanatics, by trying to either prevent a "everything sucks but Macs" from coming up - either that or they want to start an argument. (that's the nature of the internet, I guess)

Edit: I saw what NAF was replying to. Saying that Macs are the greatest for artistic work/video work/wiping your ass/looking cool/etc. is ignorant nowadays. There once was a time when that was true, but that time has passed. Windows based editors have caught up and have leveled the playing field, so to speak. Everything is down to preference now, as there is no definite victor. Saying that Macs are the best for "Insert application here" is one of the Mac fanatic issues that bothers people

- There is no best, just better for you (and what's better for you may not be what someone else finds better for them).

[TheMan24]

This is the best. I am not saying I agree with it but it is funny as hell!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNnX6XRQBec

[GarebearProductions]

Mac could beat pc anyday when it comes to filmaking.

[NaziActionFigure]

:loco:
haha yeah sure. It's really the other way around. If your really honest you have to admit that Mac does have more features than Windows. (Imovie, IDVD, Iweb, .mac, itunes, ical, dashboard,) Windows coppied Mac so much with Vista. *laughing*
You're completely missing the point of the picture. You can do a LOT more with PC's. I'm not talking about Isoftware.

Macs feel more nebulous and more dumbed down, like the corners have been softened to not intimidate your mom when she uses your computer. Well, I like having the corners exposed. I like tinkering in the registry to improve performance, I like being able to really tweak the system at the base level. Windows has its engine exposed, and while it might not always be pretty, if you know what you're doing you really have access to the whole thing. And hardware choices are choices I cherish as are access to plenty of apps. Apple takes pride in hiding everything under the rug and keeping it out of your hands to not let you mess it up. I don't need kid gloves.

[elscottomagnifico]

This is the best. I am not saying I agree with it but it is funny as hell!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNnX6XRQBec
The Mac adds were funny for a while, but the lack of substance in them became annoying. Every commercial is a "look, Mac is snazzy" and "awww, PC is lame looking". Do they explain any differences between the systems? - No, unless they are bashing PC for having the higher probability of viruses or showing how he looks uncool. It's a marketing strategy that aims to draw you in with the "We're cool, join us" attitude.

I still admit that they were funny at first, they just lost the funny when nothing changed (not unique, cookie cutter if you will - As though, everything Mac is meant to be like that, cookie cutter fashion - at least that's what the commercials say to me). Uh oh, gotta go.

"One of us. One of us. One of us."

[loosechange]

Im officially going pro Mac because I've had too many screw ups with Pc's for editing. Macs are just more reliable than PCs. Ive had my PC freeze on me during an edit I was doing just hours before the deadline. IT froze and the PC didnt start working again until maybe a week later. So needless to say I did not get paid.

I guess its all about preference. My preference is the mac. Editing with Final Cut Studio on the Mac is to me about as good as it gets.

[NaziActionFigure]

Macs are just more reliable than PCs.
Absolute bullshit.

[Vaughn Whynot]

screw them both
http://static.seekingalpha.com/wp-content/seekingalpha/images/oldcomputer.jpgcorona where it is at

[punkandska66]

^right on, brotha^

[Rejewvinator]

And personally, I don't see what's wrong with saying Macs are good. You seem to think that's some sort of godawful crime.




I voted for mac. I don't see how anyone could say pc.
(Problems I've had because of my technical incompetence.)


Macs the best for filmmaking!



(Problems I've had because of my technical incompetence.)
Mac is the way to go. All the people I know that have Macs swear by it and haven't had one single problem with it.


But honestly Macs ARE better for simple creative stuff...(Bullshit)...But overall, I think that buying a mac is a smartER choice.

MAC IS THE BEST:thumbsup: (http://www.youtube.com/v/siSHJfPWxs8&rel)
Hmmm...

[punkandska66]

50,000,000 Mac fans could be wrong.

[OutOfTheBoxStudios]

Hmmm...

Rejew... That's just plain stupid. That's selective evidence. You only used the people who said mac was good. There are plenty of people, NAF, for one, who seem to think even expressing that Mac is good is a crime of some sort. You aren't proving anything by simply quoting one side of the argument. That's like saying "everyone likes george bush", and quoting only his supporters.

Also, what is with you and trolling my posts? You always seem to think you have to be a jerk to be cool or prove yourself or something. Like that BS review you gave my film. I suggest you find new methods. Do something useful for the Indymogul community or GTFO.

[Rejewvinator]

Rejew... That's just plain stupid. That's selective evidence. You only used the people who said mac was good. There are plenty of people, NAF, for one, who seem to think even expressing that Mac is good is a crime of some sort. You aren't proving anything by simply quoting one side of the argument. That's like saying "everyone likes george bush", and quoting only his supporters.

Also, what is with you and trolling my posts? You always seem to think you have to be a jerk to be cool or prove yourself or something. Like that BS review you gave my film. I suggest you find new methods. Do something useful for the Indymogul community or GTFO.

Holy fucking shit, how fucking dense are you? NAF isn't criticizing people who enjoy Macs, or even think they're better than Pcs. He does, however have a problem with people buying into the "appleganda".

So, stay with me, one more time.

Preferring Macs::)

Stating they're superior::(


And as for me picking on you, quit acting like a bitch. I usually don't have to correct those without Down's syndrome.

[OutOfTheBoxStudios]

Holy fucking shit, how fucking dense are you? NAF isn't criticizing people who enjoy Macs, or even think they're better than Pcs. He does, however have a problem with people buying into the "appleganda".

So, stay with me, one more time.

Preferring Macs::)

Stating they're superior::(


And as for me picking on you, quit acting like a bitch. I usually don't have to correct those without Down's syndrome.


Whatever man, you need to get a life and stop coming into things at the last minute and trying to put someone down. I have too much of a life to look for proof of what I said, but it's there, I assure you.
I did not state macs were superior, in fact I said that both PCs and Macs are equal.
As for you picking on me, I really couldn't care less in the end. You don't do anything helpful around here, most of the comments I see of yours are bitching about something. Grow up. Help out. Contribute. Once you have something to show for yourself, without relying on rickrolls and insults, then I'll respect what you have to say.

[pancakeparty]

Desktop: PC
Laptop: Mac

I no longer own a desktop computer though.

[EnipProductions]

Its funny though that all the software for Mac is written using a PC yet Mac bash them.

[Flamekebab]

I can't say I've ever heard that Windows was used as the development platform for Mac products. Where did you hear that?

[knightly]

Microsoft Office was originally Microsoft Works...which was originally Mac only ;)

Perhaps the question should which of us is the best for Video Work. The user is what brings the creative sugar to the Kool Aid. I've seen amazing work done on all 3 major platforms, and I've seen crap made on all 3.

As for the mac being simple...I used to manage 900 servers through my mac at work (all command line, all Unixy, scripting mass interactions in Expect to manage them via SSH). This was a high end data warehouse accessing Terrabytes of data with 99.999% uptime year after year. I dealt with high end PC centers every day. They had all the same hardware and software problems we had. How you set it up is more important than what you chose to be your underlying platform. Which platform is better is irrelevant... The poll question should be "which is better for you?" as it's always a highly personal choice which you use (unless you're at work, then it's whatever they choose for you)

I'm a High end mac user (ACSE, ACDT, ACPT). I've also used windows (every incarnation), DOS (every incarnation), VAX, UNIX (many types), Apple ProDOS, TRS-80, AmigaDOS. They all have their strong points.

I come from the generation that just predated the access to computers (although I had access to computers, cause my baby-boomer father taught me to program computers and embraced technology - one of the first to use computers in the grade school classroom, he was a 6th grade teacher).

As a member of that generation of computer user, I had to program my own interfaces to the computer to make them usable at all. In doing so, I got to learn a thing or two about the power of a good interface (not having something really informs your outlook when you finally get it).

Yes, it feels more powerful to know all kinds of archaic commands and have a swiss army knife that has 42000 different blades... but I don't want to have to carry around the wheel barrow that gives me access to that. I'd much rather have the oyster shucker since I'm trying to shuck oysters (I also don't loose the tooth pick and tweezers all the time).

For me, a simple interface *is* more powerful as it doesn't become something that needs to be thought about to use productively. I have access to the rest of the swiss army knife underneath using the Unixy bits through terminal, but then, I'm from that generation and mindset as well (I even like gotos and gosubs).

Argue all you want about Mac vs. PC, but there's a larger computing history that got to that point... and I'll paraphrase so may PC/DOS users form the early 80's. Using graphics to represent files on your hard drive is cartoony and is only good for kids. And why would anyone need to use a mouse (really...a mouse?) when you have a perfectly good keyboard? (and a head full of so much "how to operate" information that you can no longer hold a normal intelligent conversation with other human beings - or make contact with members of the opposite sex).

Write your own Interface to the low level hardware sometime, then argue about how bad simple is. Until then, you have no platform upon which to stand. PUNCH CARDS RULE!

[michaelbak]

I am going to say a quote from a film book that has helped me out a whole lot.

Quote Troy Lanier & Clay Nichols in there book "Filmmaking for Teens : Pulling off your Shorts" Chapter 11 on Editing.

"Mac VS PC
Amazingly enough there are still a lot of people who argue about which is better a Mac or a PC. Maybe it is because authors like us use the word "Versus" as if it is a battle. The answer to this false dilemma is to use what you've got.

At the same time , we are a little biased towards Apple for one reason: Apple develops both the software that runs it's computers as well as the computers themselves. In addition, Apple develops it's own movie-making and DVD making software. As a result, they are able to coordinate the whole system so that it works smoothly"

End quote Copyright of Michael Wiese Productions©

[chainedflesh]

Mac versus PC is a false distinction anyways. In the end the Mac is just a PC, and being such it depends on the users preference more than anything else.

[Vaughn Whynot]

well i think its funny
because who cares what it is
its main job was to compute stuff
because its a damn computer
who cares what each person uses
if its what they can afford or what they are use to then whatever
its made to do one thing
be a computer

[Flamekebab]

"Be a computer" is fairly broken logic as it assumes the function of a computer is a fixed thing, rather than a whole range of tasks, one that changes and expands fairly frequently.

[Vaughn Whynot]

"Be a computer" is fairly broken logic as it assumes the function of a computer is a fixed thing, rather than a whole range of tasks, one that changes and expands fairly frequently.
good point

[Macaholic]

Absolute bullshit.

NAF do you not realize you are just as bad as the pro mac people?
Hypocritical if you ask me.

and for the record, now that i can run windows on my mac at the same time as i can run mac, i have no reason for a pc. And have you heard of Terminal? Or Apple Script? or X11? The mac COMES with programs to make programs with! Mac is two faced, professional or consumer. works for all. but i know people that prefer windows and hey, fine with me, stick to what you know. Really it comes down to whatever can get the job done. man. mac vs pc. canon vs. nikon. Arri vs. Panavision
there will always be competition, or else we would be paying even bigger $$'s.

[NaziActionFigure]

NAF do you not realize you are just as bad as the pro mac people?
Hypocrite

.
Care to elaborate?

[Macaholic]

well you just say that
You're completely missing the point of the picture. You can do a LOT more with PC's. I'm not talking about Isoftware.
and than you go on to say "absolute bullshit" when someone says their opinion on something you dont agree with you seem to get a little extreme?

[knightly]

I'd like to know what you can do on your windows based PC that I can't do on my 6 year old PPC Mac? I won't accept new games as an answer - I use my computer to work...and post to forums waaaaay to often. So we'll back and forth a bit, you tell me something I can't do, and I'll find an alternative that works on my mac. Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

[Pure Milk Genius Productions]

The only advantage mac has is the software, like final cut. PCs have the edge because of the hardware, The openness of PCs allows for a lot more in the way of add ons and upgrades because anyone can build an interchangable part, but Mac is propriatary and for the most part only works with Mac built parts reducing the amount of available upgrades. If you want to upgrade your PC go buy a new part, if you want to upgrade your mac go buy a new mac.

[ugman77]

may i point out that when i went to north carolina school of the arts, all the editing computers are macs. if you attend school there for film you are required to have a macbook pro. i know most film schools are like this. macs are what the pros use, and i personally think final cut is way better than any windows program. but all of this comes down to personal opinion, stop bickering and just make your own decision

[elscottomagnifico]

may i point out that when i went to north carolina school of the arts, all the editing computers are macs. if you attend school there for film you are required to have a macbook pro. i know most film schools are like this. macs are what the pros use, and final cut is way better than any windows program.Macs actually aren't what the pros use. Maybe the Indy crowd, but you'll be looking at full AVID setups for pro studios. Final Cut is on par with Premiere Pro (and just above Sony Vegas Pro - Vegas just doesn't get any respect).

Ignorant blanket statements don't help people respect your opinion that Macs are better for your situation.

[chainedflesh]

Indeed. "What the pros use" varies depending on what they want. And most of the time it isn't as simple as saying a Mac or a PC. A lot of the times it is a custom built rig(s) with custom built programs.

And I still stand by my original statement that a Mac IS a PC and saying otherwise is simply wishful thinking. What people are really fighting over are a fixed set of hardware specs vs more modular hardware specs and more importantly fighting over operating systems.

[ugman77]

Macs actually aren't what the pros use. Maybe the Indy crowd, but you'll be looking at full AVID setups for pro studios. Final Cut is on par with Premiere Pro (and just above Sony Vegas Pro - Vegas just doesn't get any respect).

Ignorant blanket statements don't help people respect your opinion that Macs are better for your situation.

the avid studio at ncsa was run on mac pros

[elscottomagnifico]

the avid studio at ncsa was run on mac pros
So the North Carolina School of the Arts is a big pro studio?

A full Avid system (workstations and all, not just programs) is far too expensive - and in no way cost effective - for a school. Bigger studios will put the cash out for the whole setup (whether it's necessary or not).

[neckstab]

Here, we are mostly all indy so I would say, work with what you have. Overall, one should make the best of one's situation and resources. Use whatcha' got!

More and more pro filmmakers are incorporating FCS into their workflow but as elscotto has said, Avid systems are absolutley the industry standard but not the only solution anymore.

Most post houses out here in L.A. have everything but when big money is involved the Avid system performs extremely well and fast. In some cases, Avid renders almost realtime.... But now with FCS server apple seems to be trying to creep up on Avid. I have read rumors that mac wants to get out of the PRO software game. Hinting at the possibility of selling FCS to adobe. If that happens, I think Avid will have some potentially stiff competition in the PRO market.

For most of us, I think it's best to make the best of what you have. There are many ways to get great results for home users on ANY platform.