I never thought the members here would be so closed minded

[_ray_biddle_]

We have a new member that happens to be a Christian and a lot of you bash the crap out of her. Maybe just maybe those of you who behaved so badly should look in the mirror.

There's a lot of you that purposely go out of your way to trash nen members, guess what for this site to continue it has to grow.

Treating new people like crap will only stop the growth of the site.

I'm ashamed of a lot of you that posted in that lady's thread. You had a choice to make when you read that thread. Post something useful, ignore what she posted or act like complete donkeys anuses. Quite o afew of you picked the donkey anus route.

She wasn't pushing religion down any of your throats. Don't you, that are bigots, get how to make it as a filmmaker yet?
Talent helps, being in the right situation helps, having faith in something bigger then you can understand helps.

You have to be able to network. You have to be able to listen and most importantly you need to know when to shut up.

Guess what, those of who don't believe in a higher power...

You'll need something to get you through a 3AM editing session. To get strength from some special place when something goes wrong. For the first time since I came to Indymogul I am embarrassed to be a member here.

Now if she was trying to recruit some of you, prove it.

[ishakebabies]

I agree with this in the sense that we shouldn't be mean to each other. We are entitled to our opinions but we also should remember that we are a community, and the point of this whole forum and this community is to help each other, not to put each other down.

I really don't like it when we are disrespectful and rude to one another so we all need to either help each other out and say what we have to say respectfully or not say anything at all.

[_ray_biddle_]

I have a feeling this thread will be closed. I just think especially to the new members, give them a chance to use the boards and make some mistakes. If spamming becomes a problem then deal with it but FISHERKING didn't have to be so damn rude.

[uhrisuh]

Im not gonna close it .. but I am going to move it to Chit chat ...

[BinBinProductions]

THANK YOU RAY! NOW SOME ONE UNDERSTANDS!

[sonnyfromda02]

I have to say, I was surprised at your post in that thread, Ray. I've never seen any posts from you that were like that, but I guess when you've had enough, you have to get it off your chest. Personally, I don't get into internet, "beefs," but to each his own. Although, I do have to say, it was nice of you to stand up for newer members.

[Vaughn Whynot]

i looked at it twice just think the lady was spam but the farther you go down the page the worse it gets
i thought different of this place when i signed up
kind of ruins it for somepeople
are people going to bash on me because i am diabetic
sometimes jokes can get carried away...i know i been slaped by alot of girls
but come on
she here for the same reason as everyone else
FILMING

[glmclainmovies]

I agree and have nothing against christians or anything. I did not partake in that thread so I wouldn't know to what extent the bashing was but by the title I can see something. The first thing she posts was a post about her being christian. So people are going to think of her a christian first and a filmmaker second. Thats kind of like going around randomly telling people your gay, or black, or whatever. It doesn't make a difference as long as you don't make a big deal out of it. Also the fact that she said she wants to work with christians makes us assume she doesn't want to work with anyone who does not practice her religion. Plus with a name like BondServant4JesusChrist it's kinda easy to see why people would be pissed. She was asking for it. It was not the right thing to do but she was totally asking for it

[_ray_biddle_]

Im not gonna close it .. but I am going to move it to Chit chat ...

This is a beter place for the thread. Thank you!

[17thletterfilms]

I agree and have nothing against christians or anything. I did not partake in that thread so I wouldn't know to what extent the bashing was but by the title I can see something. The first thing she posts was a post about her being christian. So people are going to think of her a christian first and a filmmaker second. Thats kind of like going around randomly telling people your gay, or black, or whatever. It doesn't make a difference as long as you don't make a big deal out of it. Also the fact that she said she wants to work with christians makes us assume she doesn't want to work with anyone who does not practice her religion. Plus with a name like BondServant4JesusChrist it's kinda easy to see why people would be pissed. She was asking for it. It was not the right thing to do but she was totally asking for it

I don't think she was wanting to work EXCLUSIVELY with anyone, she just wants to work on a movie with Christian values. She said she'd be willing to work on anything that wasn't excessive sex, violence, or swearing. There's nothing wrong with that, many people don't want to work on movies like that.

As for the username, nobody's said ANYTHING about NaziActionFigure. Nazi? What are people going to assume first? You guys need to look past the username and look at the person.

[_ray_biddle_]

I agree and have nothing against Christians or anything. I did not partake in that thread so I wouldn't know to what extent the bashing was but by the title I can see something. The first thing she posts was a post about her being christian. So people are going to think of her a christian first and a filmmaker second. Thats kind of like going around randomly telling people your gay, or black, or whatever. It doesn't make a difference as long as you don't make a big deal out of it. Also the fact that she said she wants to work with christians makes us assume she doesn't want to work with anyone who does not practice her religion. Plus with a name like BondServant4JesusChrist it's kinda easy to see why people would be pissed. She was asking for it. It was not the right thing to do but she was totally asking for it

Hi Glmclainmovies,
Never assume anything. Being a Christian is someone that follows Jesus. Baptists, Catholics, Lutheran, etc... these are all Christian religions.
The lady was looking for assistance. She just happens to be a Christian. She wasn't asking for anything.

That's like saying a young lady is asking for trouble because she dressed a certain way and it is a bigoted statement.

You read entirely to much into her post. She didn't do or post anything wrong. She asked a question, that's the point of this forum.

While I'll stand by you to be able to post your opinion, I feel you really need to be educated.

What if someone posted they were a satanist? If someone attacked then I'd have stood up for that person as well.

The argument that someone was looking for trouble is Bullsh*t. And discriminatory.

Those who come here are filmmakers and should be treated the same whether they are a certain race, religion or gay or straight. I'm actually shocked that any filmmaker would trash another filmmaker (or someone that has interest in this field) over something like this.

Bashing Christians is in right now. I get that. Sometimes it is even deserved. If she had of been pushing religion on the boards i would have said something, but she wasn't.

She's a Christian and more then likely going to leave here and tell other people that Indymogul is full of bigots. Did you think of that?

One other thing, not all Christian vocalize their beliefs to try and convert sinners. That lady wasn't given the chance to be a valuable member here and thinking like yours is EXACTLY why I am ashamed.

Until you get this train of thought out of your CLOSED MIND, I'm willing to bet that you're only going to work on YOUTUBE videos. If you want to work on projects that put money in your pocket (not just chump change) you have to remember you never know who's going to offer you a job.

What if she knows someone that eventually could help you somewhere or sometime? You didn't think of that either did you. You saw the word Christian and made a judgment, you don't know her. You only know what you read in a post and decided she was here to force the word of GOD on you and that scared you.

What you need to learn most of all is everyone here is a PERSON first!

[_ray_biddle_]

I have to say, I was surprised at your post in that thread, Ray. I've never seen any posts from you that were like that, but I guess when you've had enough, you have to get it off your chest. Personally, I don't get into internet, "beefs," but to each his own. Although, I do have to say, it was nice of you to stand up for newer members.


Take the buzz word (Christian) out. That lady's crime was posting in three areas. Was that enough for some here to treat her like that? People read Christian and freak out.

I hate discussing religion on any website as it always turns into a pissing match.


As for in my opinion, the biggest douche in the bunch. His attitude to new people has always been argumentative and for what HE has to offer, someone had to tell him off.

What if that lady said she was Jewish? Nothing in her post said or suggested she would only work with certain groups of people. Those who attacked her made assumptions because she had Jesus in her ID.

Bigotry pisses me off. Filmmakers can't be bigots (I know they can and some are) and this makes each of us here look just as stupid as those making the remarks. I'm not a bigot, I'm not one to assume things.

We're all the same here, whether it be male,female, black, white, fat, skinny, religious, atheist, etc.

Now when she talks about Indymogul to the people in her life, WE'RE ALL bigoted, idiots and since I didn't partake in the attack on her, I am lumped in with fools that did.

That's why I am angry.

[sonnyfromda02]

I figured it was something that really tore into you, since you're normally one of the more helpful guys on here.

[17thletterfilms]

I figured it was something that really tore into you, since you're normally one of the more helpful guys on here.
It's not just someTHING. In the beginning, (funny that I use these words in a discussion about Christianity) IndyMogul was a happy place, but somewhere along the line, new members became uncool and weren't willing to be helped. While some of the younger members do say some funny things, they have a lot to offer; their creativity. The older people have the equipment, but younger members are more optimistic about the field. We can all learn something from their simple joy of filmmaking. It's supposed to be FUN. Be encouraging, use constructive criticism, when a new person posts something, don't post a stupid FAIL picture, help them find the answer, and if using the Search feature is SOOO easy, search yourself and post them a couple of the more helpful links.

[sonnyfromda02]

What I meant by that post, is Ray is a good guy, and for him to be affected by it like this, I can understand his want and need for this post.

[Scott]

Guess what, those of who don't believe in a higher power...

You'll need something to get you through a 3AM editing session. To get strength from some special place when something goes wrong. For the first time since I came to Indymogul I am embarrassed to be a member here.



It's bullshit like this I really don't want to hear from Christians, Muslims, or really any other religious groups. How dare you tell me what you think I need and what I don't.

[FyceDesigns]

It's bullshit like this I really don't want to hear from Christians, Muslims, or really any other religion. How dare you tell me what you think I need and what I don't.
Calm down, Scott. Nobody's forcing you to read these posts.

As for that lady, I felt really bad for her. She simply wanted to work on films with Christian values and ideas, and people acted as if she was shoving Christianity down their throats.

[Jon Hanson]

It's bullshit like this I really don't want to hear from Christians, Muslims, or really any other religion. How dare you tell me what you think I need and what I don't.

He just said you'd need SOMETHING.

For some it's good, for other's it's mind altering substances.

[Scott]

Calm down, Scott. Nobody's forcing you to read these posts.




Yes they are. I've got poison in my veins. I was told if I don't read the posts on this board I will be left here to die.


But seriously, I was just stating thats the kind of thing that makes people really dislike Christian recruiters.

[Scott]

He just said you'd need SOMETHING.

For some it's good, for other's it's mind altering substances.


Exactly. Who is he to tell me I need something? I don't need to believe in some higher being to enjoy this life. I can appreciate the good things in life without believing in someone else's God.

[17thletterfilms]

I sometimes feel like this forum is a double-edged sword. It seems like for every good thing on the forum, there's something bad. It makes me really sad that our community would be so cruel to a new member looking for help and expressing her want and interest for help and such a good way (not just, "i needz help plzzz!!!").

WHERE'S THE UNITY IN COMMUNITY?

[Jon Hanson]

scott, you too were making abrasive and jackass comments on the thread. don't act like you had nothing to do with it. you should apoligize too!

He's abrasive and rude to everyone.

Fuck you, sir.

Exhibit A.

[Philthy]

I dont care who you are or who you think you are, you dont bash someone that wants to do the samething as you, just for a religion! I dont care if your Buddhist, Hindu, Catholic, a Jehovah's witness, or an Atheist, i wont judge you just because your different. I will respect you and what you are here for, becasue im here too. Why do people always have to do things like this. There is so much hate it makes me sick.

[Philthy]

Ohh, and scott, muslim is not a religion, there the people. Islamic is the religion.

[Scott]

Ohh, and scott, muslim is not a religion, there the people. Islamic is the religion.


Did I say that muslim was a religion? I believe not.

[FreshMentos]

Scott needs a hug.

[Philthy]

Ohh no scott, Its seems not many people like you so i think its you that for you that deserves a great big Congratulations!!!! So how does it feel?

[next-tarantino]

That's like saying a young lady is asking for trouble because she dressed a certain way and it is a bigoted statement.


Yeah, but you can't dress like a slut and not expect to be treated like one. That's just kind of how that works.


And you've got to understand that when you try and single yourself out from the get-go, this is the kind of thing that is going to happen.

And while you may call everyone closed-minded, for that I would have to call you naive.

[Scott]

Yeah, but you can't dress like a slut and not expect to be treated like one. That's just kind of how that works.


And you've got to understand that when you try and single yourself out from the get-go, this is the kind of thing that is going to happen.

And while you may call everyone closed-minded, for that I would have to call you naive.


I agree.

[Vaughn Whynot]

isn't this kind of being ironic
that now you guys are bashin scott for what he is about
i know he could of been alittle more pg about it
but come on bashin is bashin

[Scott]

isn't this kind of being ironic
that now you guys are bashin scott for what he is about
i know he could of been alittle more pg about it
but come on bashin is bashin

Exactly.

Some people would rather just stay ignorant of their hypocrisy.

[FreshMentos]

I got a good laugh reading through this topic and scott's response to my comment. ;)

[Scott]

I got a good laugh reading through this topic and scott's response to my comment. ;)


How about that hug?

[_ray_biddle_]

It's bullshit like this I really don't want to hear from Christians, Muslims, or really any other religious groups. How dare you tell me what you think I need and what I don't.

I didn't, you took it as I was preaching to you. I was talking as a filmmaker. You decide what you need to get through the tough situations. DO you know what is like to be facing a deadline and have no visible way to get there?

If your happy not living up to your deadlines, then so be it. I'm a professional. It bugs me when I am not where I should be.

I chose to ask for God's guidance, you don't have to. If you snort a line of something or do a substance then you're getting your guidance that way, it's all the same.

How ever you get through what you need to is the point of that sentence?

[_ray_biddle_]

Yeah, but you can't dress like a slut and not expect to be treated like one. That's just kind of how that works.


And you've got to understand that when you try and single yourself out from the get-go, this is the kind of thing that is going to happen.

And while you may call everyone closed-minded, for that I would have to call you naive.

Then I guess you shouldn't respond to my threads then. Would you have preferred I said bigoted?

[_ray_biddle_]

It's bullshit like this I really don't want to hear from Christians, Muslims, or really any other religious groups. How dare you tell me what you think I need and what I don't.

I'm also trying to get through that how you act in a forum like this will come back and show how/who you are when you go to find a job in the industry.

I'm talking big picture, you talking right now.

[_ray_biddle_]

He just said you'd need SOMETHING.

For some it's good, for other's it's mind altering substances.

Exactly!

[_ray_biddle_]

Yeah, but you can't dress like a slut and not expect to be treated like one. That's just kind of how that works.


And you've got to understand that when you try and single yourself out from the get-go, this is the kind of thing that is going to happen.

And while you may call everyone closed-minded, for that I would have to call you naive.


This is the kind of logic that gets women raped and guys think it is okay.

[_ray_biddle_]

I agree.

You've already established that you're an asshole.

[Scott]

DO you know what is like to be facing a deadline and have no visible way to get there?

If your happy not living up to your deadlines, then so be it. I'm a professional. It bugs me when I am not where I should be.

I chose to ask for God's guidance, you don't have to. If you snort a line of something or do a substance then you're getting your guidance that way, it's all the same.

How ever you get through what you need to is the point of that sentence?


Yes, I do know what it's like to have a deadline and thinking there is no way to get there. I did make the deadline. It's called dedication, not religious belief.

Are you trying to say that since I don't believe in your god, I do drugs? How fucking retarded are you? Just because one doesn't believe in a god doesn't mean the only thing left for them to do is do drugs all the time. Believing that one cannot live a full and happy life without your God is pure ignorance.

[Jon Hanson]

Yes, I do know what it's like to have a deadline and thinking there is no way to get there. I did make the deadline. It's called dedication, not religious belief.

Are you trying to say that since I don't believe in your god, I do drugs? How fucking retarded are you? Just because one doesn't believe in a god doesn't mean the only thing left for them to do is do drugs all the time. Believing that one cannot live a full and happy life without your God is pure ignorance.
Actually I think he's comparing belief in God to using drugs.

Which I think I probably did first.

Not the best idea, probably.

I think the bigger point is that everyone gets inspiration/hope/dedication somewhere.

[Scott]

I think the bigger point is that everyone gets inspiration/hope/dedication somewhere.

Well thats fine. I just don't need anyone shoveling Jesus down my throat.

[FreshMentos]

How about that hug?
Well, I never said that I'd give you a hug. Maybe you could ask your mom for one. ;)

In other news... IndyMogul forums need more mods.

[Scott]

In other news... IndyMogul forums need more nazi mods.


I think not sir.

[Philthy]

you need some ice for that burn?

[_ray_biddle_]

And we've already established that you're a dumbass.

Agreed? Good.

Scott, I don't mean to burst your bubble but a lot of people here don't think good of you. I am reporting you to Wes. As you are only posting to cause trouble.

[17thletterfilms]

In other news... IndyMogul forums need more mods.

Agreed.

And Scott, your response to the Why Can't We Be Friends? song was actually funny, but I agree with the song.

[Jon Hanson]

Well thats fine. I just don't need anyone shoveling Jesus down my throat.

And I don't need anyone shoveling crap down my throat, who was shoveling Jesus down yours?

[Scott]

Scott, I don't mean to burst your bubble but a lot of people here don't think good of you. I am reporting you to Wes. As you are only posting to cause trouble.

Oh noes! I just pee pee'd in my underoos. :(

I am not the only one posting to cause trouble. There are plenty of people that are throwing gas on the proverbial fire here. You people aren't helping the situation here. You're doing nothing to make it better. Instead you insist on retaliating on every one of my posts. Maybe you should try to not be part of the problem, smart guys.

So toss my salad you douche bag.

[Philthy]

17thletterfilms your halo link is broken

[Scott]

And I don't need anyone shoveling crap down my throat, who was shoveling Jesus down yours?


I thought you loved that.

[ace24]

We have a new member that happens to be a Christian and a lot of you bash the crap out of her. Maybe just maybe those of you who behaved so badly should look in the mirror.

There's a lot of you that purposely go out of your way to trash nen members, guess what for this site to continue it has to grow.

Treating new people like crap will only stop the growth of the site.

I'm ashamed of a lot of you that posted in that lady's thread. You had a choice to make when you read that thread. Post something useful, ignore what she posted or act like complete donkeys anuses. Quite o afew of you picked the donkey anus route.

She wasn't pushing religion down any of your throats. Don't you, that are bigots, get how to make it as a filmmaker yet?
Talent helps, being in the right situation helps, having faith in something bigger then you can understand helps.

You have to be able to network. You have to be able to listen and most importantly you need to know when to shut up.

Guess what, those of who don't believe in a higher power...

You'll need something to get you through a 3AM editing session. To get strength from some special place when something goes wrong. For the first time since I came to Indymogul I am embarrassed to be a member here.

Now if she was trying to recruit some of you, prove it.

I think this is a very interesting thread, mainly because the title says " I never thought members here could be so close minded."

This is very interesting seeing the fact that you consider yourself a Christian, it just seems funny that a Christian is calling is calling other people "close-minded." I think you should reconsider that statement.

I consider myself very open minded and every time I have gotten in an intelligent debate with a Christian what I would consider a "smart" person, there was no way they would even consider my thinking, which is pretty much not anything. It seems like they would pass me off as a stupid person that is going to Hell.

Just thought I would let you know. By the way, I think you are a really cool and helpful person Ray, sorry.

[Scott]

You know, if you people take everything everyone says seriously on the internet, you probably shouldn't be using it. Believe me, there are people who are willing to say and do way worse than I am. So if you're going to continue to let me get to you and cry about it, why don't you try turning off your computer for a little while for once?

[ilikecookies]

ALL MY POSTS GOT DELETED

[Scott]

ALL MY POSTS GOT DELETED

It was the commies. Stalin and his men are at it again!

[Jon Hanson]

I think this is a very interesting thread, mainly because the title says " I never thought members here could be so close minded."

This is very interesting seeing the fact that you consider yourself a Christian, it just seems funny that a Christian is calling is calling other people "close-minded." I think you should reconsider that statement.

I consider myself very open minded and every time I have gotten in an intelligent debate with a Christian what I would consider a "smart" person, there was no way they would even consider my thinking, which is pretty much not anything. It seems like they would pass me off as a stupid person that is going to Hell.

Just thought I would let you know. By the way, I think you are a really cool and helpful person Ray, sorry.

If you're going to be addressing someone please address their points rather than the points of someone that shares some of their beliefs.

I got in a debate with a very intelligent agnostic, and it was a very friendly discussion, but it was obvious she wasn't open to any of my points.

There now I've presented a third party close-minded unbeliever and I think you see that it really isn't relevant to the discussion. You're your own person, I'm my own person, Ray's his own person and Scott's in a league of his own, we don't get anywhere by lumping people together recklessly.

Now if you want to address any points by Ray or me or anyone else then that would be just great, but don't try to bring in outside examples and use them to address people here just because they are the same kind in some way, because we could all do that and go round and round talking past each other and nothing will get done.

PS- Though if you're saying Christians can be close minded I'd agree with you 100%. But so can atheists, Muslims, Jews, whatever labels you want to assign. I think close mindedness is part of human nature, and a part we need to fight. In most cases.

[Scott]

No one will ever be completely open-minded.

[Philthy]

This is such a loving environment! I feel i can express my self openly to you all!

[Scott]

This is such a loving environment! I feel i can express my self openly to you all!


It's the internet and it is inhabited by people.


What the fuck else do you expect?

[rrh]

Of all the forums that I post on, this is the worst. Because it's attached to Indy Mogul, I grin and bear it, and occasionally there's a post that I learn something from.

I saw the Christian woman's thread when there was still only one response, and I thought, "This is not going to end well."

You pretend to be movie makers, so you need to be able to see things from your audience's point-of-view. Do the same thing when you post to a forum. Consider what your audience will gain from reading your post.

[Scott]

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2615/armybabymq1.jpg

[aaron32995]

DO IT NOOOOOOOWWWW!

[_ray_biddle_]

I think this is a very interesting thread, mainly because the title says " I never thought members here could be so close minded."

This is very interesting seeing the fact that you consider yourself a Christian, it just seems funny that a Christian is calling is calling other people "close-minded." I think you should reconsider that statement.

I consider myself very open minded and every time I have gotten in an intelligent debate with a Christian what I would consider a "smart" person, there was no way they would even consider my thinking, which is pretty much not anything. It seems like they would pass me off as a stupid person that is going to Hell.

Just thought I would let you know. By the way, I think you are a really cool and helpful person Ray, sorry.

Hi Ace,

When someone attacks someone (not you, just being clear) based on race, religion. sexual orientation, you get where I am going right.

That person is a closed minded individual. I have NEVER went after someone just to do it.

The whole point to this thread was to show that the bullies here think they can attack someone for any reason.

Normally I'd have let this just go away and not have responded. I'd have reacted the same way if this was over someone attacking someone for being a Satanist.

Scott, Fisherking act as if they own the forums and I have purposely stayed out of their bitchfests in the past. I never tried to force what I believe on anyone except about film school and I prefaced that by saying if someone wants to go to school go for the right reasons.

Every post I have made on this forum (except for a few silly ones) was to help someone. Scott thinks having something to believe in is a weakness, he's wrong.

If God gets me through a tough time that's great for me. If Joe Schmoe drinks (not to excess) then that's their GOD. If anyone who reads this thinks making films just happens they're sadly mistaken. That was this in a nutshell.

I've been around enough forums to know that there will always be those who have to think they're important. Usually this type of person KNOWS NOTHING.

I used the word bigot and it was appropriate. I'm not perfect and never claimed to be. I have my prejudices too.

I also wasn't saying it is everyone, far from it. Most people here are fantastic people. If this offended you I apologize. That wasn't my intention. I won't change what I said though. There was some closed minded people attacking that lady. I have also stated earlier today that she will leave here and tell other people that everyone on this site is a bigot. When in reality only few were the bigots. Now since we're members here we're all lumped in with them.

Is that fair?

See I am not one of the Christians that thinks they are better then everyone else. I have friends of all beliefs, colors and ethnicities. I'd consider you a smart person also and those who think you are going to hell are just stupid.

Back to the Christian comment in the original thread. A lot of people get this confused. Christian isn't a religion, it is a belief.

Being Catholic, Baptist or Methodist, these are religions. Anyone in the above is a Christian. This is what set me off and then Scott decided I was trying to tell him how to think or what to believe. Nothing was further from the truth, I think he just wanted someone to argue with and it was my turn. (I am not talking down to you Ace, I just want this to be clear)

Everybody needs assistance from time to time. I choose to pray, some others meditate, some others shoot heroin into a vein. Telling Scott what or how to think wasn't my purpose and who am I to judge.

I don't judge anyone until i get to know them and in Scott and Fisherking's case I feel hey are assh*les. I've done a lot of research in this area and I used to be one. I am qualified to tell.

So it bothered me to attacked by these two and I responded. I don't have to be nice. I also feel that everything I have said is an honest account of what happened.

I respect you for posting and I hope i have made my side of this ridiculous situation clearer

[Scott]

Hi Ace,

When someone attacks someone (not you, just being clear) based on race, religion. sexual orientation, you get where I am going right.

That person is a closed minded individual. I have NEVER went after someone just to do it.

The whole point to this thread was to show that the bullies here think they can attack someone for any reason.

Normally I'd have let this just go away and not have responded. I'd have reacted the same way if this was over someone attacking someone for being a Satanist.

Scott, Fisherking act as if they own the forums and I have purposely stayed out of their bitchfests in the past. I never tried to force what I believe on anyone except about film school and I prefaced that by saying if someone wants to go to school go for the right reasons.

Every post I have made on this forum (except for a few silly ones) was to help someone. Scott thinks having something to believe in is a weakness, he's wrong.

If God gets me through a tough time that's great for me. If Joe Schmoe drinks (not to excess) then that's their GOD. If anyone who reads this thinks making films just happens they're sadly mistaken. That was this in a nutshell.

I've been around enough forums to know that there will always be those who have to think they're important. Usually this type of person KNOWS NOTHING.

I used the word bigot and it was appropriate. I'm not perfect and never claimed to be. I have my prejudices too.

I also wasn't saying it is everyone, far from it. Most people here are fantastic people. If this offended you I apologize. That wasn't my intention. I won't change what I said though. There was some closed minded people attacking that lady. I have also stated earlier today that she will leave here and tell other people that everyone on this site is a bigot. When in reality only few were the bigots. Now since we're members here we're all lumped in with them.

Is that fair?

See I am not one of the Christians that thinks they are better then everyone else. I have friends of all beliefs, colors and ethnicities. I'd consider you a smart person also and those who think you are going to hell are just stupid.

Back to the Christian comment in the original thread. A lot of people get this confused. Christian isn't a religion, it is a belief.

Being Catholic, Baptist or Methodist, these are religions. Anyone in the above is a Christian. This is what set me off and then Scott decided I was trying to tell him how to think or what to believe. Nothing was further from the truth, I think he just wanted someone to argue with and it was my turn. (I am not talking down to you Ace, I just want this to be clear)

Everybody needs assistance from time to time. I choose to pray, some others meditate, some others shoot heroin into a vein. Telling Scott what or how to think wasn't my purpose and who am I to judge.

I don't judge anyone until i get to know them and in Scott and Fisherking's case I feel hey are assh*les. I've done a lot of research in this area and I used to be one. I am qualified to tell.

So it bothered me to attacked by these two and I responded. I don't have to be nice. I also feel that everything I have said is an honest account of what happened.

I respect you for posting and I hope i have made my side of this ridiculous situation clearer


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[aaron32995]

Thats hilarious...

[Scott]

Thats hilarious...


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[Whole Milk Productions]

rant

That's because 95% of the members here are 12 or younger or a bunch of punks who think they are "athiests" and think that they've seen the way.

[Jon Hanson]

That's because 95% of the members here are 12 or younger or a bunch of punks who think they are "athiests" and think that they've seen the way. Can we please not deride atheists the same way we theists wouldn't want to be derided? I'm not saying that's your intention, but I believe it could easily be taken that way.

[Scott]

That's because 95% of the members here are 12 or younger or a bunch of punks who think they are "athiests" and think that they've seen the way.

You're all wrong anyway. This is the real God.

http://onwhoseauthority.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/flying-spaghetti-monster.jpg

[Direktor]

That's because 95% of the members here are 12 or younger or a bunch of punks who think they are "athiests" and think that they've seen the way.

How can you just "think" your an athiest? Athiest isn't believing in anything. Is it some new pop culture thing I'm not aware of or something?

[rrh]

Can we please not deride atheists the same way we theists wouldn't want to be derided? I'm not saying that's your intention, but I believe it could easily be taken that way.It certainly could. Incidentally, I am an atheist. When I want to deride theists, I have other forums for that.

[Scott]

Athiest isn't believing in anything.


I thought that was Nihlism.

[Whole Milk Productions]

How can you just "think" your an athiest? Athiest isn't believing in anything. Is it some new pop culture thing I'm not aware of or something?


Exactly, all these self proclaimed "athiest" teens are dumb (most of em anyway). I've seen a bunch of em ranting about how other religions slam their views and ideas into other peoples throats, then go on to tell them why their religion is wrong and that there is no such thing as X.

And yes, this athiesm bullshit seems like a pop culture trend (at least at my school), just for the sake of being a rebel.

To the people who aren't dicks, thank you.

[Scott]

Exactly, all these self proclaimed "athiest" teens are dumb (most of em anyway). I've seen a bunch of em ranting about how other religions slam their views and ideas into other peoples throats, then go on to tell them why their religion is wrong and that there is no such thing as X.

And yes, this athiesm bullshit seems like a pop culture trend (at least at my school), just for the sake of being a rebel.

To the people who aren't dicks, thank you.

You're being a dick as well, telling others their beliefs are bullshit.

[Whole Milk Productions]

You're being a dick as well, telling others their beliefs are bullshit.

I'm not calling their beliefs (or lack thereof) bullshit, I'm calling them bullshit.

[Scott]

I'm not calling their religions bullshit, I'm calling them bullshit.

Based on and because of their beliefs.

[Scott]

http://www.satanspace.com/gallery/albums/misc/kid-satanic-bible.jpg

[Whole Milk Productions]

Based on and because of their beliefs.


Based on how dumb they are when doing anything involving beliefs.

[_ray_biddle_]

I just finished bickering with Scott by IM. I'm done. I sent him a make nice offer. Look let's just be filmmakers.

Screw the drama.

[Jon Hanson]

Exactly, all these self proclaimed "athiest" teens are dumb (most of em anyway). I've seen a bunch of em ranting about how other religions slam their views and ideas into other peoples throats, then go on to tell them why their religion is wrong and that there is no such thing as X.

And yes, this athiesm bullshit seems like a pop culture trend (at least at my school), just for the sake of being a rebel.

To the people who aren't dicks, thank you.

I have to say you kind of come off as a dick. I know what you're talking about, but you're talking in such generalized sweeping terms that most atheists who read this will get pissed off.

And while I'm not an atheist I think there are decent reasons to take the atheist position, especially considering the incapacity of much of the last generation of Christians to make a good defense of Christianity.

[Whole Milk Productions]

I just finished bickering with Scott by IM. I'm done. I sent him a make nice offer. Look let's just be filmmakers.

Screw the drama.


Yeah, he's got an image he can use as a reply for anything you say.

[Scott]

Based on how dumb they are when doing anything involving beliefs.

Right. And there is no religion that has ever made a mistake or has done/said dumb things. Gotcha.

[Scott]

Yeah, he's got an image he can use as a reply for anything you say.


http://museum.tamuk.edu/Gift_shop/childrens_books/images/correctamundo_jpg.jpg


A picture is worth a thousand words. In this case, intended for one.

[Whole Milk Productions]

Right. And there is no religion that has ever made a mistake or has done/said dumb things. Gotcha.

I'm not talking about a religion, i'm talking about the people in them. The main point of my whole athiest rant was that a lot of them are just a whole bunch of hypocrites who think they are rebellious.

[aaron32995]

I think this is going to get deleted or locked.

[Whole Milk Productions]

I think this is going to get deleted or locked.


http://museum.tamuk.edu/Gift_shop/childrens_books/images/correctamundo_jpg.jpg

[Jon Hanson]

I think this is going to get deleted or locked.


Once Scott called Urisuh a Nazi on her period without getting banned all my preconceived notions of moderation went out the window.

[uhrisuh]

Once Scott called Urisuh a Nazi on her period without getting banned all my preconceived notions of moderation went out the window.

It takes a lot to offend me. And I'm smart enough to know not to let people over the internet get to me.

Believe it or not me and Scott used to be cool. I really have no idea what happened nor do i care.

[Scott]

It takes a lot to offend me. And I'm smart enough to know not to let people over the internet get to me.

Believe it or not me and Scott used to be cool. I really have no idea what happened nor do i care.


Looks like you edited out the jealousy part.


Somebody's got a big head on their shoulders.

[Scott]

I'm not talking about a religion, i'm talking about the people in them. The main point of my whole athiest rant was that a lot of them are just a whole bunch of hypocrites who think they are rebellious.


Oh right, so Christians are not hypocrites? Okay, got it!

[Jon Hanson]

It takes a lot to offend me. And I'm smart enough to know not to let people over the internet get to me.

Believe it or not me and Scott used to be cool. I really have no idea what happened nor do i care.
That's cool, it's just surprising to me since most of the forums I've been to will ban you so fast your head will spin if you look at a mod the wrong way.

[aaron32995]

Oh right, so Christians are not hypocrites? Okay, got it!

You`d better or else god shall smite you.

[Scott]

That's cool, it's just surprising to me since most of the forums I've been to will ban you so fast your head will spin if you look at a mod the wrong way.

Look?

[Scott]

You`d better or else god shall smite you.

Yeah, God, smiting... right...

[Fisherking]

I don't judge anyone until i get to know them and in Scott and Fisherking's case I feel hey are assh*les. I've done a lot of research in this area and I used to be one. I am qualified to tell.

Somehow, I suspect Scott's head-up-the-anus picture is the only appropriate response to this. I'm cringing as I do it, but here's my post, verbatim, from the thread in question:

"Looks like I've hit a nerve. Most probably the one that controls stimulus to the brain.

I am absolutely puzzled by this response. Seriously. I fail to understand what I have said that you have construed as religious bigotry. I have specifically avoided mentioning my personal beliefs in this thread with some care, as I have no desire to broadcast my own biases or to frame this discussion in terms of my thoughts.

I responded that the post seemed to broadcast a desire not to work with people of other beliefs; this has nothing to do with the fact this poster was Christian. "Alarm bells go off" as it strikes me as someone whom has all-but-stated that they cannot work with someone whom disagrees with them. This is not evincing an anti-Christian bias, rather an anti-dogmatism bias. Supposing the initial post was by "allahu akbah" and specified that he only wanted to network with other Muslims, my response would be much the same. Supposing the post were by "Mary Magdalen 'O' Hare," specifying she wished to work only with atheists, my response - again - would be the same.

What of my posts led you to the conclusion that I believe Christians should not post here? This was possibly the most inexplicable part of your post.

None of my posts were equivalent to referring to someone as a '{buttercup}{buttercup}{buttercup}{buttercup}{buttercup}{buttercup}.' That's just ridiculous hyperbole. I assure you, if I wish to "shit on a new member" and "bash Christian's [sic]," I would be far more overt in my criticism.

--And don't imply I'm a troll."

Respond.

And yes, this athiesm bullshit seems like a pop culture trend (at least at my school), just for the sake of being a rebel.

I'm going to put the most reasonable possible interpretation on this.

Do not dismiss people's views as "bullshit" or assert that they are "a pop culture trend." I'm certain that you come across jerks at your school, but that is not a justification to smear everyone of a particular belief system. Atheism is not a "trend," it is a philosophical belief. This is not to imply that some people may purport to hold this just to rile others up, or that earnest atheists may very well be jerks, but this is a function of that fact that it's a human invention, not a decree of the belief system. Put simply, some people are jerks. Atheists are people. Some atheists are jerks.

[Scott]

but this is a function of that fact that it's a human invention,

[_ray_biddle_]

Look, I have made peace with Scott and i would like to with Fisherking. You put some strong willed people together and bring up a topic like religion and this stuff is going to happen.

Fisherking- why don't you be you and I'll be me.

We don't have to agree with each other but let's keep it respectful.

I apologize for jumping on your back about the lady's thread. This way this thread can die the death it should have hours ago.

We both think we're right and we're not going to be walking hand and hand on a beach somewhere. How about we just nod to acknowledge each other and move on.

We owe this to the other Indymogul members as well as the moderators.

I'd shake your hand but reaching into the screen wouldn't work.

Let's respect each other as human beings and call it a day.

All this fighting/arguing/bickering has made me tired and if you're old enough I'd offer both you and Scott a beer.

Now let's trash our crappiest projects or something?

Does this sound good to everyone?

[Scott]

The key to all this bickering is ignorance. Educate yourselves people! Want others to be open-minded? You yourself need to do the same!

[_ray_biddle_]

The key to all this bickering is ignorance. Educate yourselves people! Want others to be open-minded? You yourself need to do the same!

That's fair, you should be writing! want a beer?

[Scott]

That's fair, you should be writing! want a beer?

Yeah, I'm about to get to that. Just waiting for this pot of coffee to finish brewing.

A beer would be nice if I had a Fosters.

[_ray_biddle_]

POOF!! Heres your Fosters

Fisherking and I have made nice also. Now can someone get this thread closed?

[aaron32995]

Your wish is my command.(wiggles my nose)
OHHHH wait im not a mod.