Torture effects

[DJ Andy]

With Halloween coming up and porn/gore films like Hostel 2 recently coming out I have a question in mind..

How can you make a torture scene like in those movies?

Now I don't mean cutting off.. you know.. but like twisting someone's arm or head around.

Make a fake head and a fall arm out of ballistics gel?

[Paladin1221]

Actually a lot of your question have been awnsered in their own way. Mix some of indy mogul's idea. Like you could mix the blood canon with the stunt body in their recent episode in order to dismember limbs.

For gore (Please do this only if you above 18 and understand what your doing) some indy film makers have gone to butcher shops and gotten left over guts ect and used them, so say a zombie film have fake guts coming out of the stunt body.

WARNING: never put animal remains on live actors/ always use gloves and wash ands

Ad for torture scenes its honestly ALL in the editing. Watch how they cut it together. There is really a science to it. You can make it look like your twisting someones arm with good acting, love sleeves, and sound effects.

One more thing never ever fake break someones neck, you can actually really injure them. The film way of doing it to do it in two shots

Shot 1: show the person place the hand on the victims head (don't pull or move your hand, even if the person knows its happening or you do it very softly you could still cause harm)

Shot 2: usually this shot is further back keep your hand about an inch from their forhead and swipe in past their head as fast as possible while the victim looks to in the same direction as fast as possible. This will lead the viewer to thing it was done with force.

As for beating every time the camera cuts build up darker/large bruises (see indy mogul episode).

[justin]

It's all about what you DON'T show. You can make a better scary scene if most of it is up to the viewer's imagination.

[Paladin1221]

Also the best tool horror film makers have is their music! Ever watch jaws without sound, YEAH thats scary </sarcasim>

[Cal]

It's all about what you DON'T show. You can make a better scary scene if most of it is up to the viewer's imagination.
yeah, thats why steven king can write scary books. they're not that gory. But your imagination scares you

[Brainstrained]

yeah, thats why steven king can write scary books. they're not that gory. But your imagination scares you

Dude, his books are hella gory! Well, some of 'em anyways.

[Whole Milk Productions]

Just make a cast of your arm with ballistics gell

[Jier]

It's all about what you DON'T show. You can make a better scary scene if most of it is up to the viewer's imagination.

Justin's right. The best example of this I can think of to back up Justin would be a little scene from Reservoir Dogs. It's graphic in language, and other things, and if you've not seen the movie I highly recomend watching it first.

However, here it is: "The Ear Scene" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJfORxWsZUY) be warned, spoilers abound!

The scene has been regarded as one of the more disturbing of media, and even Quentin admits - in early interviews - that he got more freak outs because he panned away. By panning away he left it to our imaginations, giving us only the screams, and pants of the officer being tortured. Now, yes it's been done, but given how ADD-infected movies have gotten by giving the cheap thrills of seeing ones chest cavity being pealed away, or having some overly ornate trap crush someone's skull in; going back to the "less is more" philosophy might get you noticed more.

Of course, there is nothing wrong with being a little gorey. Some of the best movies are a touch splat-tastic, but you got to be careful, you don't want to turn a scary, or revolting (If that's what you're going for.) scene into a campy, or just plain retarded scene by going overboard.

[Amiah]

As some people above me already told, it is all about the imagination of the viewer and nothing is more important in that case then sound. If you pull someone's arm, it just looks like pulling an arm, but if you add the sound of a breaking/snapping bone, it'll look a lot more like you are really hurting that person.

And indeed, please don't show the vieuwer everything. A shade of your torturer can also be scary, plus you can do whatever you want wothout having to worry about the flesh you are carving looking real.

So, in short:

1) Sound
2) Imagination

[Fisherking]

You haven't explained precisely what you wish to show. A 'torture' scene may be comprised of any number of effects - or none at all.

A special effects artist would need to know precisely what you wished to show and how you wished to show it.

[the_alchemist16]

yeah i was just wondering if indy mogul could do some torture scenes like pulling out finger nails or toe nails or how to do a slow cut or burning of flesh

[happyhands man]

yeah i was just wondering if indy mogul could do some torture scenes like pulling out finger nails or toe nails or how to do a slow cut or burning of flesh
for the nails just by some fake nails and liquid latex them over your real nails and then when they get pulled the latex will act like skin clinging to the nail
for the slow cut use wes's cut tutorial: http://www.indymogul.com/post/4013/wesleys-weekly-how-to-stabbing-and-cutting-effect
[copy and paste that]
for burning flesh your should use flame stock footage from detonationfilms.com

[birdmanxxx]

me and my buds are doin a movie where we set a dude on fire. what we're doing is showing them pour gasoline (water) on the guy from a distance then get a fake arm put the same shirt on it and actually just set that on fire.

For a slow cut get an actor whose not a pussy and cut 'em

and the nails is just how happyhands man said, cuz we're usin that one too.

[punkandska66]

For a slow cut get an actor whose not a pussy and cut 'em

Or you could do this (http://www.indymogul.com/post/4013/wesleys-weekly-how-to-stabbing-and-cutting-effect)

[Patuman]

For a slow cut get an actor whose not a pussy and cut 'em

Please tell me your not serious??

Dont provoke new members to doing anything stupid/dangerous, because they will tell their moms that Indy Mogul taught them that... Then they start blaming Indy Mogul for violence and crimes like they do with video games. :D

Jack Thompson is an ass

[birdmanxxx]

first one of when the guy gets pretty much boiled under the lights.

The Coolest would be the battery-acid-skin-eater thing.

those would be cool!

[yourmindsinnerworkings]

i'd say just use this weeks face melt

[datdude1988]

i'd say just use this weeks face melt

That wouldn't work. Have you seen the movie? It's kinda like when you microwave cheese like on bread and it starts to bubble up and "blister."

It was pretty gross. I'd also like to know how the words were formed in the guys chest without the blood running too much.

[happyhands man]

the professional special effects/makeup people use these things called bladders that are basically balloons hidden on the skin with makeup and they look like swelling and bubbling skin there is an example:http://www.dicksmithmake-up.com/Filmography/alteredstates.htm
its the last picture

[cohen]

clay and green screen!

[fivepercentjuice]

A nail being separated from the skin. any suggestions?

[treymac70]

yep use a fake hand or mabey you can go buy one of those fake nails wemen use all the time

[fivepercentjuice]

cool thanks

[Citrus]

Make a fake finger and fingernail. I'm not sure what of...

But if you don't show close ups then you could have the actor really sell it then just have the torturer pull up something that looks like a fingernail.

[WesScog]

You can get fake fingernails at the cosmetic section of most supermarkets and department stores.

Just trim them down to the size of your finger nail, then lay down a layer of liquid latex on top of your real fingernail, let that dry, then lay down a thin layer of blood, then attach the fake fingernail scaled to be the same size as your fingernail on top of the blood and liquid latex, then add a little bit more liquid latex just to keep it on.

Now when you scratch something it'll make your fake fingernail pop up, and blood will be underneath.

While scratching or having them remove, between cuts you can add more and more blood, so like show the guy who is doing the tortures face, show the fingernail popping up, show the actor being tortured screaming, then cut back to the fingernail with blood all over it and the torturer pulling off the fake fingernail completely.

Between showing your actors face and the fake fingernail just add more blood to the fake fingernail before you cut back to it, and everytime you cut away and cut back, just add more blood.

[fivepercentjuice]

We have geniuses here don't we, pure genius Thanks!!

[Turtle_Muffin]

thank you.

[knightly]

couple layers of scotch tape, cut into a long cresent.

[zachmonky]

I've also wanted to see someone ripping their nail off of their finger/toe. The inside of the finger would be fleshy and slightly bloody, and there would be stretching tissue still attached to the nail.

This would be an awesome episode.

[FyceDesigns]

That's gross....

But anyway, you just get a fake hand, add on a fake nail with liquid latex, inject some fake blood, and there you go.

-Osme

[Ergo Pictures]

Or you could make the fake nail, apply some fake blood and liquid latex to your real nail so it's no longer visible, then put the fake one on top. That way you have your actual hand.

[WesScog]

Merged with previous thread on the topic.

[punkandska66]

You don't even need a fake hand. Just put makup on your real fingernail, and make it look gross. Then put some LL on you fingernail onver the makeup and apply the fake one. Then let it dry so that way when you pull it off the LL will act as flesh, and you'll see all the bloody stuff.

[ddiddy321]

i suggest useing some nose putty and one of ur fingers and even it out with liquid latex so it matches ur finger then fit in a tube under the nose putty use glue and crazy glue to fit the nail on the finger and this is a good idea as a test film.example:hey martin wassup martin:im gud eric:wana play football martin:um sure

few minites later

hey catch martin:ahhhhhhhhhhh

at that point the football hits martins nail and it flips out from the front and from the hose you ooze out some blood!!!1

eric i hope u put this efect on.

hope to see next weeks show.:fcross:

[1MrPink1]

I am writing and shooting a script that requires a torture sequence. I could watch 100 movies where they torture people....Or I could ask you guys, what is the best way to film a torture scene? I want all the tips you have!
Thanks!

[CR-Videos.co.nr]

You could always not show it.If you've seen Watchmen,when Rorscharch goes after the boss who runs into the toilet and then the door starts swaying.Do that and then add screams when the door is closed

If you want to show it,use a swaying light(they're classified with tortures)

[slicendice]

-Harsh lighting
-Weird angles
-Handhold only, no tripods in a torture chamber.
-Less is more. A brutal sound will be 10x as effective as a brutal image.

[Mattageddon]

This is going to require a lot of editing. My advice is to watch The very first trap in saw 4 or to watch the Pig trap and last trap in Saw 3. That required a lot of editing and cutaways. I'm thinking cutaways are your best friend for a scene like this. I guess it really depends on what kind of torture it is. Could you describe it so we better know what exactly is happening?

[Griffmo]

Take Reservoir Dogs as an example. In the first half, all of the scenes with the cops are wide shots, you can't connect with them, but as soon as Blonde gets a cop, he focuses on the cop with tight shots, really letting you feel the agony he's going through. It's not about showing gore, or screams, it's being able to imagine yourself in that situation, that makes torture scenes truly haunting

[1MrPink1]

You could always not show it.If you've seen Watchmen,when Rorscharch goes after the boss who runs into the toilet and then the door starts swaying.Do that and then add screams when the door is closed

If you want to show it,use a swaying light(they're classified with tortures)
you're right, thats always an option

[WesScog]

http://www.indymogul.com/post/13929/wesleys-weekly-how-to-fake-fingernails

Did a basic tutorial on doing fake fingernails, hope it helps anyone that was looking for an effect like this.

[FILMFILM]

If you want a scene where a head is slammed in a door, you can film you actor lying down next to the door, then have your other actor take hold of the door.
Then you want to slide you actor down a little bit, then put in place at little plank of wood in the doorway or some plastic. Don't catch any of this on camrea, and slam away at the plastic or wood, (make sure you actor is clean out of the way. Use a bit of cam trickery then your done.

[Razback]

Yes its a pretty basic tecnique but they works

[fireday the 13th]

i would do a mix with the following
close up cutting effect
lots of blood
stabbing
screaming